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Boeing fired midlevel executive following embarrassing emails
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#12From the article: Mr. Cooper didn’t send or receive the messages, the latest batch of which Boeing disclosed to lawmakers and the news media in January, this person said. Those messages show Boeing employees mocking airline officials, aviation regulators and even their own colleagues. In one, an employee said the 737 MAX had been “designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys.” Boeing Chief Executive Davi…
By being part of the leadership ranks and being unaware, shouldn't the disciplinary actions extend upon himself as well?
Maybe being a total dick gives you a free pass at Boeing.
Re: Boeing fired midlevel executive following embarrassing emails
#13He was a VP. I’m not aware VP is a mid level management job. I always thought director level and below would be the case.
Depends upon the place. Sometimes VP is above director or vice versa.
Re: Boeing fired midlevel executive following embarrassing emails
#14He was a VP. I’m not aware VP is a mid level management job. I always thought director level and below would be the case.
Depends on the company. In some companies, there are many VPs that themselves form a hierarchy... so you'll have a VP, Senior VP, Executive VP, etc. So VP can start to look an awful lot like directors (not board directors that is).
On the flip side, I'm working with a company where everyone that should have a "Director" title relative to their authority, knowledge, and experience has been given a VP title... probably because the company isn't very attractive as an employer.
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#16From the article: Mr. Cooper didn’t send or receive the messages, the latest batch of which Boeing disclosed to lawmakers and the news media in January, this person said. Those messages show Boeing employees mocking airline officials, aviation regulators and even their own colleagues. In one, an employee said the 737 MAX had been “designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys.” Boeing Chief Executive Davi…
Seems like there are two possible takeaways. One is the one you called out. The other is to escalate issues your reports raise to you. "My pilots think this plane is trash. I better tell my boss." He could have taken either route and been safe at least from being canned. Boeing seems to be publicly expecting everyone to take the second approach.
Re: Boeing fired midlevel executive following embarrassing emails
#17From the article: Mr. Cooper didn’t send or receive the messages, the latest batch of which Boeing disclosed to lawmakers and the news media in January, this person said. Those messages show Boeing employees mocking airline officials, aviation regulators and even their own colleagues. In one, an employee said the 737 MAX had been “designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys.” Boeing Chief Executive Davi…
This kind of an article sounds incredibly damning to me. It indicates that Boeing is essentially rotten on the inside and that anybody doing business with them should be wary.
Perhaps related: https://orgprepdaily.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/on-keeping-you...
This is a chemist's view from the trenches. A manager who hasn't been brought up in the engineering mindset wouldn't even be able to understand any of the points in that blogpost, which partially explains the trouble that pharmaceutical companies are finding themselves in. You cannot bribe or cheat observable reality.
Re: Boeing fired midlevel executive following embarrassing emails
#18He was a VP. I’m not aware VP is a mid level management job. I always thought director level and below would be the case.
A VP in an investment bank would be a middle manager.
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#19He was a VP. I’m not aware VP is a mid level management job. I always thought director level and below would be the case.
> I’m not aware VP is a mid level management job
A lot of companies (especially finance) suffer from title inflation, and also flip Director and VP (i.e, Director is a higher rank than VP).
For example, at Goldman Sachs 30% of all employees are Vice Presidents.
Re: Boeing fired midlevel executive following embarrassing emails
#20From the article: Mr. Cooper didn’t send or receive the messages, the latest batch of which Boeing disclosed to lawmakers and the news media in January, this person said. Those messages show Boeing employees mocking airline officials, aviation regulators and even their own colleagues. In one, an employee said the 737 MAX had been “designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys.” Boeing Chief Executive Davi…
By being part of the leadership ranks and being unaware, shouldn't the disciplinary actions extend upon himself as well? Maybe being a total dick gives you a free pass at Boeing.
The current CEO, Calhoun, took over a month ago after his predecessor, Muilenberg, was fired for the exact reason you just mentioned