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Re: Plasma 5.18

#11

Post by jonny383 »

haspok wrote: post #7

How about proper multi-display support (including mixing HiDPI and low-res displays)? Every time I connect my FHD laptop to my UHD monitor the windows on the desktop move around completely randomly. It is better than before, because they used to move outside the visible area, they fixed at least that. But hey, at least there is an Emoji Selector now (???).

Generally speaking, multi-display monitor support is a mess on Linux (especially if you so anything slightly out of the ordinary).

KDE honestly seems the best for this, although on the latest version of GNOME has fractional scaling available behind a flag (although also buggy and very slow).

Re: Plasma 5.18

#12

Post by MayeulC »

scrollaway wrote: post #4
jhoechtl wrote: post #2

No news from the wayland front?

I use KDE on Wayland. It works pretty well; there's still bugs I hit once in a while (vscode especially sometimes is missing dialog windows and I have to restart it).

It works quite well, but it's very crashy.

I tried yesterday (5.17.3 IIRC, mind you): plasmashell crashed, then followed by systemsettings5, and konsole. Drkonqui popped up for the bug report, but crashed halfway. Then popped up again with a link for manual bug reporting. Clicked it, it crashed again.

Sometimes QML applets crash (there was a bug with the CUPS one recently, if there were duplicated job IDs), and bring down plasmashell with them. But that also happens on X11, which can leave the environment quite empty, and hard to debug for my non-techie family.

On Wayland, I miss primary clipboard buffer (selection), which works on sway. Also, default popup placement is wrong. Besides that, not much.

I really like KDE plasma, but started using sway for Wayland, and stayed for the tiling. I might think about writing a kwin module to ingest my sway config, and only that... :)

Re: Plasma 5.18

#13

Post by UI_at_80x24 »

Every time there is a new KDE announcement/release I give it another try. I don't like it. I miss the KDE 3.5 days. The DE seemed more cohesive then and worked very well. Ever since they went down the plasma route it looks like they focused on making it look pretty. The whitepapers and announcements made it sound like there was hefty backend improvements but each update was buggy for me.

I still use KDE apps, I find that a lot of them are perfect; but the DE has been limping along since the 4.0 re-write.

Rant: Why the fuck would I ever use a DE "app-store-thing"?! I use my OS's tools for installing/upgrading/uninstalling programs. Stop trying to help, you are making it worse.

Side note: I really liked the music in that video.

Re: Plasma 5.18

#14

Post by ognarb »

jonny383 wrote: post #11
haspok wrote: post #7

How about proper multi-display support (including mixing HiDPI and low-res displays)? Every time I connect my FHD laptop to my UHD monitor the windows on the desktop move around completely randomly. It is better than before, because they used to move outside the visible area, they fixed at least that. But hey, at least there is an Emoji Selector now (???).

Generally speaking, multi-display monitor support is a mess on Linux (especially if you so anything slightly out of the ordinary). KDE honestly seems the best for this, although on the latest version of GNOME has fractional scaling available behind a flag (although also buggy and very slow).

Hopefully, Wayland will improve the situation a bit.

Re: Plasma 5.18

#15

Post by ognarb »

UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #13

Every time there is a new KDE announcement/release I give it another try. I don't like it. I miss the KDE 3.5 days. The DE seemed more cohesive then and worked very well. Ever since they went down the plasma route it looks like they focused on making it look pretty. The whitepapers and announcements made it sound like there was hefty backend improvements but each update was buggy for me. I still use KDE apps, I find…

> Rant: Why the fuck would I ever use a DE "app-store-thing"?! I use my OS's tools for installing/upgrading/uninstalling programs. Stop trying to help, you are making it worse.

The DE "app-store-thing" is a front end to packageKit and packageKit is a front end to your package manager.

Re: Plasma 5.18

#16

Post by ohithereyou »

UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #13

Every time there is a new KDE announcement/release I give it another try. I don't like it. I miss the KDE 3.5 days. The DE seemed more cohesive then and worked very well. Ever since they went down the plasma route it looks like they focused on making it look pretty. The whitepapers and announcements made it sound like there was hefty backend improvements but each update was buggy for me. I still use KDE apps, I find…

Have you tried Trinity Desktop Environment[0], a continuation of KDE 3.5?

[0] https://www.trinitydesktop.org/

Re: Plasma 5.18

#17

Post by ohithereyou »

ognarb wrote: post #15
UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #13

Every time there is a new KDE announcement/release I give it another try. I don't like it. I miss the KDE 3.5 days. The DE seemed more cohesive then and worked very well. Ever since they went down the plasma route it looks like they focused on making it look pretty. The whitepapers and announcements made it sound like there was hefty backend improvements but each update was buggy for me. I still use KDE apps, I find…

> Rant: Why the fuck would I ever use a DE "app-store-thing"?! I use my OS's tools for installing/upgrading/uninstalling programs. Stop trying to help, you are making it worse. The DE "app-store-thing" is a front end to packageKit and packageKit is a front end to your package manager.

On some distros there is an additional software store that connects into Snap[0], so they're technically not distro supplied packages.

[0] https://snapcraft.io/

Re: Plasma 5.18

#18

Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

ognarb wrote: post #14
jonny383 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally speaking, multi-display monitor support is a mess on Linux (especially if you so anything slightly out of the ordinary). KDE honestly seems the best for this, although on the latest version of GNOME has fractional scaling available behind a flag (although also buggy and very slow).

Hopefully, Wayland will improve the situation a bit.

Yep, just need to give it another decade or so I suppose.

Re: Plasma 5.18

#19

Post by UI_at_80x24 »

ohithereyou wrote: post #16
UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #13

Every time there is a new KDE announcement/release I give it another try. I don't like it. I miss the KDE 3.5 days. The DE seemed more cohesive then and worked very well. Ever since they went down the plasma route it looks like they focused on making it look pretty. The whitepapers and announcements made it sound like there was hefty backend improvements but each update was buggy for me. I still use KDE apps, I find…

Have you tried Trinity Desktop Environment[0], a continuation of KDE 3.5? [0] https://www.trinitydesktop.org/

No I haven't! Thanks for the link.

Re: Plasma 5.18

#20

Post by skriticos2 »

I just recently switched to kubuntu (KDE) back from fedora (Gnome 3).

On one hand I do like that the desktop does not try to re-define basic muscle memory things, like changing the shortcut if you try to switch between two windows of the same application. (Seriously Gnome, WTF?).

On the other hand it crashed left and right after install (less so now that it settled down a bit) and there are a million QA type problems. I have a 4K 27" screen and everything is tiny by default, so I put scaling to 1.3 and Kate + Terminal are full of lines. The computation of the window update is broken.. I browse the internet and the ticket is open - since two years.

Then there is Wayland, which I got used to on Gnome and think is a great achievement - not in KDE though, that is still highly experimental and so back it goes to ancient protocols. Yay!

So yes, we are building fancy new stuff on an eroding foundation is the message I am getting from KDE nowadays. Compared to Gnome - which is stable but weird.

Thinking back on the Gnome 2 / compiz / beryl days we have gone downhill so much it's not funny..

ps. I know I'm complaining too much and that's unfair to an open source project. And I still perceive Liunx desktops as superior to Windows which has it's own issues (technical and non-technical). Just wondering what all the effort was spent on in the last decade or two. I just don't see it.

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