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Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by dangus »

RabbiPires wrote: post #8
dangus wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think being “woke” is only “not good” if you subscribe to the Fox News Cult. Thinking carefully about the ethics of the company you work for, especially those in-demand employees who largely have a choice like software engineers, is definitely important. This is not a partisan issue. Sure, you may not get your chance to own the libs, but that stuff is a bit childish, isn’t it? What does the phrase SJW actually mean…

The problem is listing it as a primary principle when there are more pressing concerns. I don't care about people's politics, so long as they don't push it to the forefront. Unfortunately this is what seems to happen a lot these days. "Fighting hate" should not be a primary concern for Mozilla right now.

I’m failing to see how Mozilla is being political, and how fighting hate is political. Theoretically, people across the political spectrum should all agree with that.

Hate online is a huge problem, and if Mozilla think they have potential to solve that problem, I’d say they can go for it. It’s their budget, not mine or yours.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

#12

Post by bilekas »

throwaway8291 wrote: post #3

I'm using Firefox for years, after Chrome started to ask me for a login (at around version 40). Never looked back. One day I woke up to a chart showing browser market share of FF at around 4%, which surprised me - as I thought many people would understand the implications and directions. Maybe I'm too optimistic. Update: Loved chrome, used it for years, I also love most Chrome engineering and all the innovation they…

I'm on my waay BACK to Firefox, there was a strange period when I left, Firefox just seemed really heavy on my machine, and it was super intensive for some dev tools.

Now I say the same about chrome and find FF much lighter and efficient.

Delighted that FF are taking a bit of a stronger stand here in the privacy dept too .

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by RabbiPires »

dangus wrote: post #11
RabbiPires wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is listing it as a primary principle when there are more pressing concerns. I don't care about people's politics, so long as they don't push it to the forefront. Unfortunately this is what seems to happen a lot these days. "Fighting hate" should not be a primary concern for Mozilla right now.

I’m failing to see how Mozilla is being political, and how fighting hate is political. Theoretically, people across the political spectrum should all agree with that. Hate online is a huge problem, and if Mozilla think they have potential to solve that problem, I’d say they can go for it. It’s their budget, not mine or yours.

"Hate" is a loaded term that depends on your interpretation, and can mean a lot of things, most of them political. I won't list them here because it's off-topic on HN.

Mozilla right now should focus their efforts on being profitable (or at least sustainable!) without relying on Google, Baidu and Yandex. Ideological or political pursuits should come later.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by nathanyukai »

ilitirit wrote: post #10

> Mozilla lost the browser wars Honest question... who did they lose to? Google Chrome? For me personally, Firefox has been better than Chrome for several years now. The only reason I still load up Chrome is when I want to stream to my Chromecast.

Yes, statistically the majority of people are using Chrome

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by DrScientist »

Ex-Mozillian Brendan Eich agrees that privacy is the battle for the future http://www.brave.com

The question is - do you need to re-write the internet economy as Brave are trying to to achieve it, and not just block trackers?

The third element is that governments are becoming addicted to the vast trove of information gathered - will they be willing to give that up if a technical/business model solution takes off.

Interesting times.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Bantros »

dangus wrote: post #11
RabbiPires wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is listing it as a primary principle when there are more pressing concerns. I don't care about people's politics, so long as they don't push it to the forefront. Unfortunately this is what seems to happen a lot these days. "Fighting hate" should not be a primary concern for Mozilla right now.

I’m failing to see how Mozilla is being political, and how fighting hate is political. Theoretically, people across the political spectrum should all agree with that. Hate online is a huge problem, and if Mozilla think they have potential to solve that problem, I’d say they can go for it. It’s their budget, not mine or yours.

It isn't, they don't, nor should they bother trying

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by [deleted] »

RabbiPires wrote: post #13
dangus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m failing to see how Mozilla is being political, and how fighting hate is political. Theoretically, people across the political spectrum should all agree with that. Hate online is a huge problem, and if Mozilla think they have potential to solve that problem, I’d say they can go for it. It’s their budget, not mine or yours.

"Hate" is a loaded term that depends on your interpretation, and can mean a lot of things, most of them political. I won't list them here because it's off-topic on HN. Mozilla right now should focus their efforts on being profitable (or at least sustainable!) without relying on Google, Baidu and Yandex. Ideological or political pursuits should come later.

[deleted]

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Causality1 »

nathanyukai wrote: post #14
ilitirit wrote: post #10

> Mozilla lost the browser wars Honest question... who did they lose to? Google Chrome? For me personally, Firefox has been better than Chrome for several years now. The only reason I still load up Chrome is when I want to stream to my Chromecast.

Yes, statistically the majority of people are using Chrome

Which sadly includes me these days, since it's such a pain to run multiple versions of Firefox and there are legacy extensions I can't do without for some things.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Consultant32452 »

dangus wrote: post #6
codingmess wrote: post #4

Freedom and privacy, good. Wokeness, not good. I wish they would have stuck to freedom and privacy. Now I can not wholeheartedly support them any longer. (Referring, for example, to their recent manifesto telling students they should only work for SJW approved companies).

I think being “woke” is only “not good” if you subscribe to the Fox News Cult. Thinking carefully about the ethics of the company you work for, especially those in-demand employees who largely have a choice like software engineers, is definitely important. This is not a partisan issue. Sure, you may not get your chance to own the libs, but that stuff is a bit childish, isn’t it? What does the phrase SJW actually mean…

I'm so far left I have serious plans in the works with money invested to start a commune with some of my friends. So I'm about as far from Fox news as you can get and I loathe woke culture. I'm not going to argue there merits, just letting you know it's not just the right.
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