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Environmental lawyer who won a judgment against Chevron lost everything

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Re: Environmental lawyer who won a judgment against Chevron lost everything

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> Even though the ruling was subsequently upheld by the Ecuadorian Supreme Court, Chevron immediately made clear that it would not be paying the judgment. Instead, Chevron moved its assets out of the country, making it impossible for the Ecuadorians to collect.

WTF? A nation state couldn’t have seized the assets? It seems that multinational megacorps are truly more powerful than and above the law in small countries these days.

Re: Environmental lawyer who won a judgment against Chevron lost everything

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> Even though the ruling was subsequently upheld by the Ecuadorian Supreme Court, Chevron immediately made clear that it would not be paying the judgment. Instead, Chevron moved its assets out of the country, making it impossible for the Ecuadorians to collect. WTF? A nation state couldn’t have seized the assets? It seems that multinational megacorps are truly more powerful than and above the law in small countries t…

>megacorps are truly more powerful than and above the law in small countries these days.

Why in small countries? They do what they want in America too.

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Wow this sounds crazy. He won a lawsuit in Ecuador, so the company got a judge in Manhattan New York to put him on house arrest? Isn't that overstepping their jurisdiction and abuse of power? Seems like a huge miscarriage of justice. Didn't even know this was possible unless there's something I'm missing here? Sounds like someone is acting out of bounds here.

It most certainly is.

And likely the judge punishing him received a lot of compensation from shady sources.

This shows that there is a huge difference between being right and being found right by an American court.

Probably the only chance that this lawyer has left for his life is if someone rich and powerful - who by sheer luck is unconnected to the petrol industry - takes pity on him. He'll need millions to clean up this mess and that price doesn't change no matter the facts. He could be a Saint for what it's worth and he'll still need to pay up to receive the justice that he is owed.

Re: Environmental lawyer who won a judgment against Chevron lost everything

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On the one hand, this sounds bad for Chevron. On the other hand, what is the probability that corruption happened in an Ecuadorian court vs a US court? It seems to me somewhat more likely that the Ecuadorian court was corrupt here, than that Chevron managed to influence a US judge to this degree.

Of note, he could simply turn over his phone and this would end. There is no assertion here that he is protecting some witness from harm. The fact that he is unwilling to do that should give us some pause.

Re: Environmental lawyer who won a judgment against Chevron lost everything

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Very scary. I can only assume that Ecuadorians will pursue this further.

Why Ecuadorians? This is American company destroying other countries.

Stuff like this is the reason when the west cries about China silk road initiative most of the countries don't care as Western countries have been exploiting their resources for years what difference does it make if China does it.

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I don't know who's right here, but it is suspicious that The Intercept's article doesn't even mention the judgement for Chevron from the The Hague's arbitration panel. https://www.chevron.com/-/media/chevron/stories/documents/in...

those treaties are despicable. to receive US aid you have to essentially give carte blanche to US corporations to raid and rape your country and its people as they please. EDIT: essentially the hague court is enforcing the heinous practice of forcing the prioritization of corporate profits over country's sovereignty, and the wellbeing of its citizenry and envrionment

It seems like you are confusing some things. The Hague is enforcing international law - which is its purpose. The treaties were entered into by fully competent governments. These aren't uneducated minors being pressured into a deal they don't understand. They're national governments.

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One thing I'm confused about is why he's charged with criminal contempt. > To Donziger, who had already endured 19 days of depositions and given Chevron large portions of his case file, the request was beyond the pale, and he appealed it on the grounds that it would require him to violate his commitments to his clients. Still, Donziger said he’d turn over the devices if he lost the appeal. He said he would obey the o…

That is a good question. I wonder if maybe no judgement has even been entered, just the contempt ruling.

And if so, could this trick could be used to prevent an appeal and keep him under arrest indefinitely?

IANAL obviously, but very curious.

Re: Environmental lawyer who won a judgment against Chevron lost everything

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> Even though the ruling was subsequently upheld by the Ecuadorian Supreme Court, Chevron immediately made clear that it would not be paying the judgment. Instead, Chevron moved its assets out of the country, making it impossible for the Ecuadorians to collect. WTF? A nation state couldn’t have seized the assets? It seems that multinational megacorps are truly more powerful than and above the law in small countries t…

Here is a more potent example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company
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