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#12So what will they do for Wine users who don't have a Windows kernel to put a driver in?
Ban them, since they probably don't care about these 5 people.
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#13I wonder if we'll have a future where it's relatively easy to setup a camera to record your screen in another computer and a little custom mouse/keyboard pair to do actions based on the camera input.
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#14I guess next step is for cheat software to run in a hypervisor. Now what're you gonna do!
Even further, appearently some people use hardware cards that use DMA to cheat. Which just seems incredible to me ( https://community.osr.com/discussion/291402/detecting-pcie-d... was the only reference i could find googling)
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#15I guess next step is for cheat software to run in a hypervisor. Now what're you gonna do!
Yep. The article even smugly tries to boast about how they're adults and understand these things:
> We haven’t needed both arms yet, primarily because we have the advantage of steady paychecks and the lack of strict bedtimes at our immediate disposal. But as much as we might like the idea of an ever-escalating appsec war with teenagers,
And yet they fail to realize that they're playing in to the very cat-and-mouse game they deride. I can't wait until this escalates into "ok, well, now you need Intel TSX with Secure Enclave to verify that you're using the League video driver, and our proprietary USB dongle to play our game."
Spoilers: the teenagers will always win; you can never trust a client no matter how many technical barriers you erect. Look to the entire legacy of DRM for how this strategy has been tried and has failed. Server-side statistics are the only hope against serial cheaters - they're barking up the wrong tree here.
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#16I guess next step is for cheat software to run in a hypervisor. Now what're you gonna do!
Exactly - strict sandboxing and isolation is the only thing a sane user should apply to a game using such "anticheat" garbage.
A game fidling with the OS kernel ? Like, seriously ??
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#17I understand why anticheat software exists, and why it's getting increasingly intrusive (and therefore risky). I'm not arguing that there's anything wrong with it. That said, the existence of cheaters is one of the big reasons why I don't play such games -- and that games include anticheating software is another one of the big reasons, equal to the existence of cheating in terms of how objectionable I find it. From m…
This is why I appreciate still being close high school LAN party friends close online--I can start a group chat and get a game going between each other, and maybe they can invite a friend of theirs to get the number of players up for a game. If you can manage to maintain these relationships then online gaming can be very rewarding without having to worry about the trainwreck you described.
This doesn't work with all types of games obviously, and perhaps all online games from here on out will have kernel-level protection. In the meantime, I think we will keep running UT2004 in compatibility mode (or in my case, Wine).
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#18It's getting more and more risky to do gaming and everything else on the same computer. With how intrusive anti-cheat software is becoming, I feel less and less safe running these games.
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#19I guess next step is for cheat software to run in a hypervisor. Now what're you gonna do!
Nested hypervisors, obviously. [insert Inception meme here]
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#20I guess next step is for cheat software to run in a hypervisor. Now what're you gonna do!
Yep. The article even smugly tries to boast about how they're adults and understand these things : > We haven’t needed both arms yet, primarily because we have the advantage of steady paychecks and the lack of strict bedtimes at our immediate disposal. But as much as we might like the idea of an ever-escalating appsec war with teenagers, And yet they fail to realize that they're playing in to the very cat-and-mouse g…
I'm getting the same vibes from this article that I got from when LifeLock's CEO posted his SSN to taunt people / promote their own service... and frankly, I'm looking forward to the same schadenfreude. Never underestimate the resourcefulness of teenagers powered by spite and boredom.