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Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
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Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#12Toothless fines. Indict corporate officers or employees that did it... then you’ll get change.
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#13So it's okay for the carriers to provide the phone-location (and other metadata) to government entities without a warrant, but it's not okay to sell it commercially? I'd love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
I am actually OK with that. I don’t believe the government is going to routinely misuse location data, confiscate my guns, ... etc. I don’t want corporations having my tracking data.
The government, Democrats and Republicans, basically do whatever corporations want, so this action is surprising and welcome.
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#14So it's okay for the carriers to provide the phone-location (and other metadata) to government entities without a warrant, but it's not okay to sell it commercially? I'd love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
Do you want the ambulance/police car dispatched for you as soon as the operator determines there is a problem, or wait for them to receive your location by you telling them? What about all the people that can't for some reason?
It's the only reason in my mind the government should have access to that info, and it's a damn good one
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#15So it's okay for the carriers to provide the phone-location (and other metadata) to government entities without a warrant, but it's not okay to sell it commercially? I'd love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
That is in no way contradictory. I disagree with it as much as you but there's lots of stuff the government does that you can't and this isn't anything new. As a parallel statement: > So it's okay for defense contractors to sell tanks to the government but not commercially? I'd love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
Selling tanks is covered under ITAR.
If there are Federal/State/County/Province/City regulations that cover (or mandate) providing metadata to all levels of government without a warrant, I'd like to see them (assuming they aren't classified).
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#16So it's okay for the carriers to provide the phone-location (and other metadata) to government entities without a warrant, but it's not okay to sell it commercially? I'd love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
The Supreme Court ruled in 2018 that obtaining phone location data requires a warrant. [1] So no, neither one is okay.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_v._United_States
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#17So it's okay for the carriers to provide the phone-location (and other metadata) to government entities without a warrant, but it's not okay to sell it commercially? I'd love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
Do you want the ambulance/police car dispatched for you as soon as the operator determines there is a problem, or wait for them to receive your location by you telling them? What about all the people that can't for some reason? It's the only reason in my mind the government should have access to that info, and it's a damn good one
You are referring to the E911 location data that is provided in real-time to emergency responders. AFAIK everyone is okay with that. I was referring to archival records of all telephone use (calls, text, web).
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#18So it's okay for the carriers to provide the phone-location (and other metadata) to government entities without a warrant, but it's not okay to sell it commercially? I'd love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
The Supreme Court ruled in 2018 that obtaining phone location data requires a warrant. [1] So no, neither one is okay. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_v._United_States
So this Supreme Court ruling has eliminated all use of Stingray-like equipment by all law enforcement agencies unless they have a warrant? Wow! Looks like Harris will be going of business soon, and no more DRT boxes flying over cities?
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#19So it's okay for the carriers to provide the phone-location (and other metadata) to government entities without a warrant, but it's not okay to sell it commercially? I'd love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
I am actually OK with that. I don’t believe the government is going to routinely misuse location data, confiscate my guns, ... etc. I don’t want corporations having my tracking data. The government, Democrats and Republicans, basically do whatever corporations want, so this action is surprising and welcome.
I see this all the time online, but rarely in the same breath. "I trust the government, which is corrupt and run by evil corporations."
Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment
#20But Facebook, Google, Microsoft, et al are still free to sell phone location data acquired through apps (or Android itself in the case of Google), right? I wonder if there is any hope of laws to limit the ability of companies to sell this data...