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Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Post by cicada-3301 »

jawns wrote: post #3

Just in case any of you are wondering who Ross is ... He created the Silk Road, a popular online exchange for illegal drugs, and prosecutors alleged that he paid $730K to try to kill six people. (He was not, however, charged with attempted murder. Instead, he was charged and convicted of money laundering and drug offenses.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht EDIT: I just want to make completely clear that I…

These 7-year-old allegations relied solely on anonymous chats NEVER proven to have been authored by Ulbricht.

It's well known now there were multiple people behind the DPR accounts AND 2 corrupt agents (now in prison) had admin access too.

Never proven, never prosecuted and dismissed "with prejudice" by the govt, meaning they can never be used against him again.

Ross was NOT accused of selling drugs or laundering money, or hacking computers. Charges based on what others listed on SR (i.e, laundering money conspiracy charge = because some users were cashing out their btc for other currencies. Hacking conspiracy = because some users listed hacking tutorials or software.)

Wikiepedia shouldn't be used as a reliable source when it comes to legal cases.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Post by JeremyBanks »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #10

I’ve thought the punishment of Ross was extremely too harsh: life in prison without the possibility of parole. I know the government paints this picture of him as a major drug smuggler, but I think we in the tech world are smarter than that and realize creating a platform is different than selling. After all, are EBay and Amazon liable for all the counterfeit things on their page? Should Bezos go to jail? I also thin…

> After all, are [...] Amazon liable for all the counterfeit things on their page? Should Bezos go to jail?

Yes. Amazon is fucking up the functioning of the overall market, by undercutting legal products with fraudulent fake products, while shielding the criminals from retribution. It's been extremely harmful and Bezos should be punished for it.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Post by TomMarius »

JeremyBanks wrote: post #12
bluedevil2k wrote: post #10

I’ve thought the punishment of Ross was extremely too harsh: life in prison without the possibility of parole. I know the government paints this picture of him as a major drug smuggler, but I think we in the tech world are smarter than that and realize creating a platform is different than selling. After all, are EBay and Amazon liable for all the counterfeit things on their page? Should Bezos go to jail? I also thin…

> After all, are [...] Amazon liable for all the counterfeit things on their page? Should Bezos go to jail? Yes. Amazon is fucking up the functioning of the overall market, by undercutting legal products with fraudulent fake products, while shielding the criminals from retribution. It's been extremely harmful and Bezos should be punished for it.

Which store on Amazon is ran by Bezos?

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Post by amriksohata »

Reading this, it sounds like he is not pleading not guilty, but rather saying whatever has been done but blah blah I don't deserve this. Reading into his thought process feels very dark, I may be reading too much here but there almost seems to be some subtle undertones of vengeance and encouraging (maybe his past friends) to help seek revenge to what happened to him.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Post by WAHa_06x36 »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #10

I’ve thought the punishment of Ross was extremely too harsh: life in prison without the possibility of parole. I know the government paints this picture of him as a major drug smuggler, but I think we in the tech world are smarter than that and realize creating a platform is different than selling. After all, are EBay and Amazon liable for all the counterfeit things on their page? Should Bezos go to jail? I also thin…

If Bezos tried to have six people killed, then yeah, he should be in jail.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Post by WAHa_06x36 »

Miner49er wrote: post #15
oiasdjfoiasd wrote: post #6

He paid off hit men to murder other people. Fuck him.

Then why was he not prosecuted for that? There wasn't even enough evidence to bring that to the trial.

Because there was no need to, the other charges were enough to put him away for life.

There's really very little reason to doubt he did it, either.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Post by berberous »

cicada-3301 wrote: post #11
jawns wrote: post #3

Just in case any of you are wondering who Ross is ... He created the Silk Road, a popular online exchange for illegal drugs, and prosecutors alleged that he paid $730K to try to kill six people. (He was not, however, charged with attempted murder. Instead, he was charged and convicted of money laundering and drug offenses.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht EDIT: I just want to make completely clear that I…

These 7-year-old allegations relied solely on anonymous chats NEVER proven to have been authored by Ulbricht. It's well known now there were multiple people behind the DPR accounts AND 2 corrupt agents (now in prison) had admin access too. Never proven, never prosecuted and dismissed "with prejudice" by the govt, meaning they can never be used against him again. Ross was NOT accused of selling drugs or laundering mon…

Given that he was never charged with those attempted murders, I’m sympathetic to the argument that it should not have been used against him at sentencing.

But practically, it always seemed to me fairly obvious that he did author those messages. Do you not think that’s the case?

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Post by cicada-3301 »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #10

I’ve thought the punishment of Ross was extremely too harsh: life in prison without the possibility of parole. I know the government paints this picture of him as a major drug smuggler, but I think we in the tech world are smarter than that and realize creating a platform is different than selling. After all, are EBay and Amazon liable for all the counterfeit things on their page? Should Bezos go to jail? I also thin…

Wired did an awful job at covering the case. Total sensationalism. That link you sent is a 6-year-old hit-piece. Nothing more.

This case generated sensationalism and media like Wired and ArsTechnica ran with it, at the expense of a young man awaiting trial. They destroyed his public image and relayed false and inaccurate information. It's sad to see people still sharing those superficial and sensationalized articles years after.

You should check this. Based on 400+ references, incl. investigation reports and more never-before-seen docs. The real story is SO much more interesting & mind-blowing than Ross being that one guy running the site the whole time.

https://freeross.org/real-untold-story/

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Post by strathmeyer »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #16
bluedevil2k wrote: post #10

I’ve thought the punishment of Ross was extremely too harsh: life in prison without the possibility of parole. I know the government paints this picture of him as a major drug smuggler, but I think we in the tech world are smarter than that and realize creating a platform is different than selling. After all, are EBay and Amazon liable for all the counterfeit things on their page? Should Bezos go to jail? I also thin…

If Bezos tried to have six people killed, then yeah, he should be in jail.

They should really track down whomever framed him how shouldn't they? As you say, it's serious business.
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