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F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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The functioning or non-functioning of the logistics system for the F-35 is largely irrelevant, as just demonstrated Lockheed is paid whether it works or not; and non-functioning is much safer for the program, as non-flying F-35s are safe from combat and accidents. In fact, low availability just provides an excuse for the Air Force to demand additional budget for aircraft. This isn't so much a combat system as a corpo…

Well said. But now I wonder: if this is just so much smoke, mirrors and rose-tinted narratives of potentiality... when will the bubble pop? And what might cause that? And what might the pop (or maybe explosion) look like? My curiosity is mostly just idle/morbid musing - this seems much like watching a moth encounter a candle.

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Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait till you learn that some F-16s run with Kubernetes on board. https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern... "“One point for the team was to demonstrate that it could be done,” Chaillan said. He challenged the Air Force and its partners to get Kubernetes up and running on a jet in 45 days, and while that was as difficult as it sounds, the team met the goal and F-16s are now running three concurre…

I’m having enough trouble seeing why you’d want one Kube cluster on an F-16, never mind three.

I guess some sensor/radar data processing ?

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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post #6

The functioning or non-functioning of the logistics system for the F-35 is largely irrelevant, as just demonstrated Lockheed is paid whether it works or not; and non-functioning is much safer for the program, as non-flying F-35s are safe from combat and accidents. In fact, low availability just provides an excuse for the Air Force to demand additional budget for aircraft. This isn't so much a combat system as a corpo…

Well said. But now I wonder: if this is just so much smoke, mirrors and rose-tinted narratives of potentiality... when will the bubble pop? And what might cause that? And what might the pop (or maybe explosion) look like? My curiosity is mostly just idle/morbid musing - this seems much like watching a moth encounter a candle.

I see two scenarios - the US military running out of money, or the F35 becoming necessary against an existential threat. I don't see either of those happing to the mainland US anytime soon. I'm just pissed that my own country is wasting endless money on this absurd boondoggle, where it represents a significantly larger fraction of our GDP.

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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The functioning or non-functioning of the logistics system for the F-35 is largely irrelevant, as just demonstrated Lockheed is paid whether it works or not; and non-functioning is much safer for the program, as non-flying F-35s are safe from combat and accidents. In fact, low availability just provides an excuse for the Air Force to demand additional budget for aircraft. This isn't so much a combat system as a corpo…

> airpower projection is via unmanned systems

I'm unconvinced by this assessment, for one they haven't had symmetrical warfare in a long time and a pilot is way harder to jam. for another long range laser ciws systems are getting more and more effective and if you armor cheap unmanned system they stop being cheap. but ultimately they have limited payload option and you can always pack more countermeasures than the enemy pack missiles so it's yet unclear what the best option is in a defended/contested airspace

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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post #9
post #6

The functioning or non-functioning of the logistics system for the F-35 is largely irrelevant, as just demonstrated Lockheed is paid whether it works or not; and non-functioning is much safer for the program, as non-flying F-35s are safe from combat and accidents. In fact, low availability just provides an excuse for the Air Force to demand additional budget for aircraft. This isn't so much a combat system as a corpo…

Well said. But now I wonder: if this is just so much smoke, mirrors and rose-tinted narratives of potentiality... when will the bubble pop? And what might cause that? And what might the pop (or maybe explosion) look like? My curiosity is mostly just idle/morbid musing - this seems much like watching a moth encounter a candle.

I guess nothing special at all, just the next big project.

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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"ODIN will be based in the cloud and designed to deliver data in near real time on aircraft and system performance under heightened cyber security provisions, Lord said. " heart warming to see us draw ever closer to the cyberpunk dystopia of my childhood dreams.

Wait till you learn that some F-16s run with Kubernetes on board. https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern... "“One point for the team was to demonstrate that it could be done,” Chaillan said. He challenged the Air Force and its partners to get Kubernetes up and running on a jet in 45 days, and while that was as difficult as it sounds, the team met the goal and F-16s are now running three concurre…

i was 100% certain this comment was a parody.. until i clicked on the link...

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait till you learn that some F-16s run with Kubernetes on board. https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern... "“One point for the team was to demonstrate that it could be done,” Chaillan said. He challenged the Air Force and its partners to get Kubernetes up and running on a jet in 45 days, and while that was as difficult as it sounds, the team met the goal and F-16s are now running three concurre…

I’m having enough trouble seeing why you’d want one Kube cluster on an F-16, never mind three.

Probably because there are tons of censors on modern jets and you need something to manage them.

However I wouldn't use a civilian made system for this, you're going to spend the rest of the program lifetime correcting security holes.

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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This was not a fluke. The failure rate of large scale IT projects is the huge. For large, complex projects the statistics is 2% success 42% challenged 56% failed https://www.standishgroup.com/sample_research_files/CHAOSRep... The new system has probably similar 50% change for success. I think giving the new project to the same contractor may improve the changes. Hhey have hopefully learned something.

Hack: Start development of n systems in parallel, to get 1-(0.98)^n success probability.

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait till you learn that some F-16s run with Kubernetes on board. https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern... "“One point for the team was to demonstrate that it could be done,” Chaillan said. He challenged the Air Force and its partners to get Kubernetes up and running on a jet in 45 days, and while that was as difficult as it sounds, the team met the goal and F-16s are now running three concurre…

I’m having enough trouble seeing why you’d want one Kube cluster on an F-16, never mind three.

“One point for the team was to demonstrate that it could be done,”

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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"ODIN will be based in the cloud and designed to deliver data in near real time on aircraft and system performance under heightened cyber security provisions, Lord said. " heart warming to see us draw ever closer to the cyberpunk dystopia of my childhood dreams.

A few EMP bursts can demolish the cloud, at least as we civilians know it.
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