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Re: Pharo 8.0

#11

Post by badsectoracula »

atemerev wrote: post #5

So, still no HiDPI/Retina support. This is probably the most requested feature since at least Pharo 4, and nobody seems to be interested in implementing it.

If it is the most requested, then perhaps one of those requesting it should try to do it themselves? HiDPI support sounds like a high effort low reward task (according to this[0] HiDPI monitors practically do not exist in the wild and chances are none of the main developers have one), so unless someone who really wants it puts the effort themselves it may take a long time to appear.

Generally speaking unless there is a big company behind the scenes that pays the developers for an open source project, it doesn't matter how many people ask for something if the developers themselves aren't interested in working on it and your best bet is to do it the old fashioned way (yourself :-P).

[0] https://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats/desktop/w...

Re: Pharo 8.0

#12

Post by lucb1e »

m4r35n357 wrote: post #4

website down?

> This page (http://pharo.org/news/pharo8.0-released) is currently offline. However, because the site uses Cloudflare's Always Online™ technology you can continue to surf a snapshot of the site.

Except that I see a big error page.

Isn't CloudFlare supposed to help with this? The message on top seems to indicate that, but when I (back in the day) tested with CF on my domain it just proxied every request and failed when my server didn't respond, having zero advantage over just using my server directly (in fact, even having the downside that Tor users now couldn't reach my site anymore). Seems like that's still the case.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#13

Post by Semaphor »

lucb1e wrote: post #12
m4r35n357 wrote: post #4

website down?

> This page ( http://pharo.org/news/pharo8.0-released ) is currently offline. However, because the site uses Cloudflare's Always Online™ technology you can continue to surf a snapshot of the site. Except that I see a big error page. Isn't CloudFlare supposed to help with this? The message on top seems to indicate that, but when I (back in the day) tested with CF on my domain it just proxied every request and failed w…

Yeah, it’s like that every single time it shows up, I really don’t understand what this is supposed to do.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#14

Post by atemerev »

badsectoracula wrote: post #11
atemerev wrote: post #5

So, still no HiDPI/Retina support. This is probably the most requested feature since at least Pharo 4, and nobody seems to be interested in implementing it.

If it is the most requested, then perhaps one of those requesting it should try to do it themselves? HiDPI support sounds like a high effort low reward task (according to this[0] HiDPI monitors practically do not exist in the wild and chances are none of the main developers have one), so unless someone who really wants it puts the effort themselves it may take a long time to appear. Generally speaking unless there is…

Every Macbook after around 2015 is HiDPI. Windows Surface laptops, too. Hardly "practically do not exist in the wild". I love Smalltalk, but I am not qualified to rewrite the entire Pharo rendering layer, unfortunately.

Also, statscounter doesn't account for high resolution displays at all, grouping them all as "other". And these are around 20%.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#16

Post by fmakunbound »

zerr wrote: post #2

Pharo always looks cute, but does anyone here use it, even for toy stuff?

Yeah, I use it. It is a highly productive development environment. My daily work is Java, C#/.NET, Angular, React, but when I'm in deep in the zone, in Pharo, developing web applications, those other platforms and tools looks like monkeys throwing turds at each other.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#18

Post by singlow »

lucb1e wrote: post #12
m4r35n357 wrote: post #4

website down?

> This page ( http://pharo.org/news/pharo8.0-released ) is currently offline. However, because the site uses Cloudflare's Always Online™ technology you can continue to surf a snapshot of the site. Except that I see a big error page. Isn't CloudFlare supposed to help with this? The message on top seems to indicate that, but when I (back in the day) tested with CF on my domain it just proxied every request and failed w…

It is optional to let CloudFlare cache the content. I believe you can control it from the CloudFlare control panel as well as affect it from your HTTP headers. So I bet they have the feature enabled on the panel but their HTTP headers tell CloudFlare not to cache the page, maybe accidentally.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#19

Post by fmakunbound »

armagon wrote: post #9
zerr wrote: post #2

Pharo always looks cute, but does anyone here use it, even for toy stuff?

"The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed." - William Gibson I did some work in Smalltalk (working on a mod of Scratch 1.4, which was written in Squeak Smalltalk from the turn of the century). Once you got used to it, it was amazing. The environment is lively, and you can debug into everything. The tech is great; it is just that the community of people who know it is relatively small. If you want…

I also thoroughly enjoy Seaside. There's also https://iliadproject.github.io/ for another approach.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#20

Post by fmakunbound »

atemerev wrote: post #5

So, still no HiDPI/Retina support. This is probably the most requested feature since at least Pharo 4, and nobody seems to be interested in implementing it.

I'm on a retina mac, and it looks like this https://imgur.com/a/iSkHMlJ text rendering-wise. Maybe it's my middle age eyes, but it looks fine to me???
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