Cool how Boeing's response appears to be to find and punish those responsible for the communications, not those responsible for deceiving the FAA and regulators in order to certify an aircraft that never should have left the design phase.
Boeing employees mocked FAA in internal messages before 737 Max disasters
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Re: Boeing employees mocked FAA in internal messages before 737 Max disasters
#12My favorite quote:
>The company official said the language used and sentiments expressed in these communications "are inconsistent with Boeing values, and the company is taking appropriate action in response."
Values? Your values appear to be maximizing profits at the expense of human lives. Your response to: "the guys developing our simulator were emailing back and forth they'd never fly on this plane" shouldn't be - let's fire them. It should be: how did management fail SO HORRENDOUSLY that the feedback from these testers wasn't pushed up the chain so we could build a reliable product?
The fact that we're this far removed from the accidents and they still don't get it tells me the company probably needs to just fail.
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#14> The company official said the language used and sentiments expressed in these communications "are inconsistent with Boeing values, and the company is taking appropriate action in response." Do you think this means: a) Change the environment that fosters those kinds of messages? -or- b) Punish those who wrote those messages?
Both, but as a higher priority, c) punish the exec team on whose watch it happened.
Bring back the concept of responsibility. They are paid to be in overall responsibility for anything that happens under their remit.
Time was such a behaviour in the department, or under their leadership would have ended a career. Realising the actions of a lowly engineer or janitor can end their gravy train, they might implement adequate oversight.
Re: Boeing employees mocked FAA in internal messages before 737 Max disasters
#15My favorite quote: >The company official said the language used and sentiments expressed in these communications "are inconsistent with Boeing values, and the company is taking appropriate action in response." Values? Your values appear to be maximizing profits at the expense of human lives. Your response to: "the guys developing our simulator were emailing back and forth they'd never fly on this plane" shouldn't be…
I completely agree. It's a great example that they are still incapable of owning their mistakes, and cannot be trusted without a significant dressing down. Let them fail.
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#16Geez. > "Would you put your family on a Max simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn't," says one employee to another, who responds, "No." > Peter DeFazio, [D-Oregon], called newly released documents "incredibly damning" That's hard to argue with. You'd like to think this kind of thing would... leak. Who said conspiracies involving hundreds of people are impossible?
I feel that particular quote is taken out of context a bit. The line immediately preceding it is:
> Another damning exchange calls into question the safety of the 737 Max long before the plane was approved to fly passengers.
It’s the quality of the finished product I care about, not the quality of the product at some unspecified point during R&D.
Re: Boeing employees mocked FAA in internal messages before 737 Max disasters
#17This is shocking. Said by a cynic.
Re: Boeing employees mocked FAA in internal messages before 737 Max disasters
#18I think this is a reminder - do not say or do inappropriate things using company resources (chat, email, VPN, etc). Don't complain about co-workers, don't joke about breaking the law, don't say or do anything rude or disrespectful. You'll get about 5 seconds of happiness from a joke that can ruin your career.
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#19The cost (not just money) of this to Boeing needs to be way, way more than the cost of the additional training/certification/better sensors and software or whatever would have been needed to do this right to begin with.
We can’t let this to come down to a cynical “what’s the cost of a life?”-style calculation.
It needs to be much more consequential relative to the crime/incompetence than Equifax, Facebook, etc.