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US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Why would we fight the Russians?

Some people are still stuck in the Cold War.

> Some people

Some countries. Propaganda is hard to undo. See how people believe capitalism equates 1-on-1 with "free market" and think that communism means they cannot have personal belongings. Lol.

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American Security guarantees do not come for free. Feeling constrained? then raise an Army and a Navy worth fielding and fighting Russians with out American assistance.

Why would we fight the Russians?

Because Russians want to move their borders to Carpathians to secure their borders given their dwindling demographics (since you can protect will lesser numbers).

this is not anything to do with Cold war -- it is natural state of survival. One thing East Europeans get and West Europeans are clueless is the Russian Expansionism.

The immediate prescription of half-wits is "Cold War".

I did not make the North European Plains flat.. do not blame me.

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American Security guarantees do not come for free. Feeling constrained? then raise an Army and a Navy worth fielding and fighting Russians with out American assistance.

Or create a new NATO that does not repeatedly exclude the Russians[1]. And could also hold a rule not to invade other countries (yes looking at you US). https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/fact-russia-pitch...

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Something tells me that ASML will be the target of China hacking them and trying to get technical info on how to build their own machine. Hate to be pessimistic but I’ll be waiting for that news story to hit in a year or so..

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As a European I feel increasingly concerned about the influence of US in our recent trading decisions. The sense of an alliance feels somewhat imbalanced to say the least. Interestingly whereas we have an advanced hardware industry we’re so far behind on leading software solutions that I doubt there will be any change to this balance any time soon. I guess software is eating the world...

It’s not like this is new, except with this government subtle diplomacy has been replaced with loud buffoonery, which makes this kind of manipulation slightly more obvious.

The is quite obviously an increase not just in buffoonery, but the basic, mercantilistic strategy. That's why this adminstration is bailing out to the tune of four times what the financial crisis cost, year. And farmers even get to keep that money.

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Something tells me that ASML will be the target of China hacking them and trying to get technical info on how to build their own machine. Hate to be pessimistic but I’ll be waiting for that news story to hit in a year or so..

A couple years ago, ASML silicon valley based Chinese employees (not all PRC nationals) sold EUV trade secrets to Chinese/Korean owned XTAL. But ASML CEO dismissed it as state level espionage and hinted the primary beneficiary was Samsung semiconductors. From what I heard ASML goes out of their way to prevent Samsung from reverse engineering their hardware.

But it's only a matter of time. ASML is tied to Wassenaar treaty at the end of the day. They're the perfect US pawns.

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As a European I feel increasingly concerned about the influence of US in our recent trading decisions. The sense of an alliance feels somewhat imbalanced to say the least. Interestingly whereas we have an advanced hardware industry we’re so far behind on leading software solutions that I doubt there will be any change to this balance any time soon. I guess software is eating the world...

TBH I'm glad it's not sold off. Europe has barely any large world leading companies in the digital sector. ASML is one of those world leaders.

As for your american influence point, I'd certainly prefer if a strong EU council would block the sale instead of our transatlantic partners, but EU council can't even prevent OBOR in central europe...

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American Security guarantees do not come for free. Feeling constrained? then raise an Army and a Navy worth fielding and fighting Russians with out American assistance.

Why would we fight the Russians?

> Why would we fight the Russians?

Ask the Ukrainians.

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Something tells me that ASML will be the target of China hacking them and trying to get technical info on how to build their own machine. Hate to be pessimistic but I’ll be waiting for that news story to hit in a year or so..

A couple years ago, ASML silicon valley based Chinese employees (not all PRC nationals) sold EUV trade secrets to Chinese/Korean owned XTAL. But ASML CEO dismissed it as state level espionage and hinted the primary beneficiary was Samsung semiconductors. From what I heard ASML goes out of their way to prevent Samsung from reverse engineering their hardware. But it's only a matter of time. ASML is tied to Wassenaar tr…

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American Security guarantees do not come for free. Feeling constrained? then raise an Army and a Navy worth fielding and fighting Russians with out American assistance.

Or create a new NATO that does not repeatedly exclude the Russians[1]. And could also hold a rule not to invade other countries (yes looking at you US). https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/fact-russia-pitch...

> Or create a new NATO that does not repeatedly exclude the Russians[1].

It seems like accepting Soviet/Russian proposal would have had the effect of 1) limiting the criticism of Soviet human rights abuses and 2) weakening the ability of democratic western countries to resist aggression by the authoritarian Soviets.

I think it was the right call for NATO to reject this proposal. If it had been accepted, maybe we'd still have the Soviet Union around in 2020.

From your link:

> Molotov wrote. “The USSR joining the North Atlantic Pact simultaneously with the conclusion of a General European Agreement on Collective Security in Europe would also undermine plans for the creation of the European Defense Community and the remilitarization of West Germany.”

> But Molotov did foresee problems in the event the Soviet Union became a NATO member. NATO would likely insist on democratic institutions while the Soviet Union considered the Westphalian concept of sovereignty sacrosanct. “If the question of the USSR joining it became a practical proposition, it would be necessary to raise the issue of all participants in the agreement undertaking a commitment (in the form of a joint declaration, for example) on the inadmissibility of interference in the internal affairs of states and respect for the principles of state independence and sovereignty,” Molotov wrote.

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