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I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams

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Re: I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams

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What I don't understand is: why don't they go to a university in Europe? I just checked for my alma mater: tuition fee is ~500 euro for 1 year. You pay about 4k in rent per year (this is probably too high an estimate). The level of education is high, and the programs are available in English.

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Serious question: how does a parent deal with their high school kids wanting to pursue college in a field with a low probability of high lifetime earnings (art, theatre etc.) ? Especially when they are middle class without generational wealth to insulate themselves

Drop the "follow your dreams" rhetoric and have a serious discussion with them about the costs of life and lifestyles.

If they want to live in a 6000 sq ft house in Malibu, then they shouldn't get a degree in 5th Century Aerobics.

Re: I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams

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Serious question: how does a parent deal with their high school kids wanting to pursue college in a field with a low probability of high lifetime earnings (art, theatre etc.) ? Especially when they are middle class without generational wealth to insulate themselves

Take as many gap years being an artist as you want. The degree won't help much in pure arts anyway

maybe the 529 will grow in that time anyway

Re: I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams

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post #4

Serious question: how does a parent deal with their high school kids wanting to pursue college in a field with a low probability of high lifetime earnings (art, theatre etc.) ? Especially when they are middle class without generational wealth to insulate themselves

This happens to parents that don’t discuss the importance of having money in life. Also happens when kids get little to no financial education.

The kids grow up thinking pursuing your passions and dreams is more important than accumulating money. And it feels so good and right until you find yourself broke and poor and your passion is gone, and you think life just sucks.

It takes no effort to throw down a spreadsheet. List their yearly earnings for the rest of their life. Throw in expenses like mortgages, vacations, food, then add in kids and family, medical emergencies, show them just how poor they will be if they go down the path of their shitty career. Many kids may be left wide eyed when they accept these numbers are true. There’s no extra money hidden away, no big windfall waiting to come out and propel them up the class ladder. This is it, this is their life. Good luck.

Re: I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams

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What I don't understand is: why don't they go to a university in Europe? I just checked for my alma mater: tuition fee is ~500 euro for 1 year. You pay about 4k in rent per year (this is probably too high an estimate). The level of education is high, and the programs are available in English.

Because most European universities are crap compared to American ones. Crude, but the truth.

Re: I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams

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These parents are heroes.

> A couple months ago, my 17-year-old daughter’s guidance counselor called her into his office to ask pretty much the only question that adults ask high school seniors: “What colleges are you applying to?” When Ella tossed off a handful of universities, he said, “Have you thought about going to art school?”

This is goddamn malpractice.

> Like most parents, who save on average $18,000 for their kids’ education, we’d failed to sock away anything close to the $75,000 annual sticker price it would take for Ella to go to, say, Pratt in New York City.

A friend of ours matriculated at a similar school, but dropped out and went into physical therapy instead. She and her husband managed to buy a house in their late 20s, have kids, etc.[1]

Your job as a parent is to socialize your children. And that means telling them how the world works. The society that they see around them exists because people with valuable skills work hard to produce things. That doesn’t just mean doctors or engineers—the world needs accountants and roofers and HVAC technicians. The common thread is that these are skills that people and companies need every day to make the world around us keep humming. People are compensated based on the value and rarity of their skills. And money is necessary for security and supporting yourself. Kids need to learn these lessons from the earliest age. You abdicate that duty if you don’t teach them that, and instead allow a bunch of government workers fill your kids’ heads with nonsense.

College, for most people, is a joke. Take a bunch of classes that don’t teach you anything useful, and then get a job that doesn’t require you to use anything you learned. It’s an elaborate shell game we have to play because we’ve bought into the nonsense peddled by teachers and guidance counselors. As parents, it’s your job to be smart and help your kids navigate this game. (We’re going through this with my wife’s younger brother right now.) Manage your courses to keep up your GPA, take prerequisites at community college for a fraction of the price, etc. The Kafkaesque administration of most colleges makes this hard enough. But teachers and administrators will fight you the whole way. They’ll talk about making sure kids get the “college experience” and telling kids to “pursue their bliss.” Its your job as a parent to do everything you can to fight back.

[1] I don’t want to come across to much like judging people’s lifestyle. I know some people who are happy with the bohemian art world lifestyle. That makes them happy. But when you see people complain about student debt and the plight of millennials, that’s what keeps coming up: they can’t afford to buy a house or have kids.

[2] That doesn’t mean I think doctors or aerospace engineers don’t need to go to college. But in 1960, less than 40% of the population graduated from high school and less than 10% had a bachelors degree. It’s incredible what a sophisticated economy we had with so little formal education.

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post #4

Serious question: how does a parent deal with their high school kids wanting to pursue college in a field with a low probability of high lifetime earnings (art, theatre etc.) ? Especially when they are middle class without generational wealth to insulate themselves

Just have them work the numbers out. Specifically create monthly budget after they graduate. Salary expectations, rent/mortgage, student debt, taxes, transportation, food, etc.

Re: I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams

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What I don't understand is: why don't they go to a university in Europe? I just checked for my alma mater: tuition fee is ~500 euro for 1 year. You pay about 4k in rent per year (this is probably too high an estimate). The level of education is high, and the programs are available in English.

Not everyone wants to go live in another continent at 18, an expensive flight away, with no family or friends, different culture and perhaps different language? Plenty of reasons.

Re: I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams

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What I don't understand is: why don't they go to a university in Europe? I just checked for my alma mater: tuition fee is ~500 euro for 1 year. You pay about 4k in rent per year (this is probably too high an estimate). The level of education is high, and the programs are available in English.

This is why many doctors in the US get their basic medical schooling outside of the US. (Often in the Caribbean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_schools_in_the... )
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