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Chernobyl Dice: A quantum random number generator with a Nixie tube display

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#11

Would the uranium marbles be at all likely to cause bit errors? Would this decrease the lifespan of the system?

Some numbers for uranium glass: https://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/consumer%20products/vase...

Doesn't answer your question, but might be a start.

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post #11

Would the uranium marbles be at all likely to cause bit errors? Would this decrease the lifespan of the system?

Some numbers for uranium glass: https://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/consumer%20products/vase... Doesn't answer your question, but might be a start.

Author here. Even though its proximity puts it pretty far above background, the marbles are still a fairly weak source, so from the "electronics logic longevity" side it's not something I've really thought about. But the Geiger-Muller tube does have a finite (though very large) number of events it can record, so I cut the voltage to it when the device is in "clock mode" and not functioning as an RNG.

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post #8

In Chernobyl you likely do not actually need to add the marbles to get the device to work.

My Geiger counter fires about once every two seconds from natural background (and would on most parts of the world due to granite, cosmic rays, radon, etc.). When I put my uranium mineral near it it goes off 600 times per second.

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#14
Unlike the "pseudo-random" number generators used in software everywhere, here we have a truly "random" number generator (at least with our current understanding of physics).

Impossible to predict the next number - no matter how much information about the universe you know.

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This is probably a dumb question, but wouldn't recording the millisecond timestamp mod 2 of each decay be a lot easier and also produce a uniform distribution (at least at the rate this thing seems to be registering decays)?

Author here.

Not a dumb question! I tried this approach using 4-microsecond ticks and was surprised to catch a (subtle) bias. So I in the end I basically used two different RNG algos (both with slight biases) and XOR’d them together.

Would love to isolate why these on their own appear to have a bias but testing is a super laborious process (takes roughly 3 days to generate a 1 megabit file).

Of course, I could always speed up the testing cycle by using a more radioactive sample ;)

Re: Chernobyl Dice: A quantum random number generator with a Nixie tube display

#19

How does one even get uranium marbles?

Author here.

They’re not actually that radioactive so they’re very easy to get ahold of. Amazon and eBay might work (I got mine from one of those sources, I think), but I also put a more specialized supplier in the parts list.

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