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Memories Can Be Injected and Survive Amputation and Metamorphosis

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Re: Memories Can Be Injected and Survive Amputation and Metamorphosis

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Post by _f9cu »

tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #3

Small aside about memory in humans: I am reminded of a story told during a lecture of a transplant recipient receiving a heart transplant and was interviewed after the successful surgery about what they would like to eat now that they had a new heart (previously, was on a really restricted diet due to heart condition). The person responded with "Kentucky fried chicken" on a whim. It was later explained that they don'…

Thanks for sharing.

We kind of waste our time by verifying with science for new surprises. We live for googling -> starting threads). Instead, simplify the facts and write it down on paper. Keep accumulating your findings, you will come up with your own more connected theories. Occasionally, prove your theories wrong to build a stronger base knowledge.

My message is just a reply for "Is this scientifically verifiable? Of course not, not with current means"

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Post by AllegedAlec »

wildduck wrote: post #5
r_singh wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting... any chance you have a link of that lecture or a story on it?

There are many cases of people who get organ transplant inherit the memory of the donor. I have heard in more than one places or another. A simple search on the web will yield this: Here is a link: https://www.medicaldaily.com/can-organ-transplant-change-rec... We still don't know squats about how memory are stored. And cases like that can be a valid argument for memory and consciousness being a non-local phenomenon.…

> We still don't know squats about how memory are stored.

Yeah, but not in the kidneys or the liver. Get back to us when you find sources from peer-reviewed journals.

Re: Memories Can Be Injected and Survive Amputation and Metamorphosis

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

zappo2938 wrote: post #7

If we are empathetic, capable of being aware of other people's feelings, it is reasonable that the memories attached to awareness exist not isolated in the individual but across people.

Not really; memories remain even when you go to space behind the moon alone.

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Post by rolltiide »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #9
tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #3

Small aside about memory in humans: I am reminded of a story told during a lecture of a transplant recipient receiving a heart transplant and was interviewed after the successful surgery about what they would like to eat now that they had a new heart (previously, was on a really restricted diet due to heart condition). The person responded with "Kentucky fried chicken" on a whim. It was later explained that they don'…

Acquiring memories and personalities through organ transplants is a somewhat known urban legend and a fiction trope, but AFAIK the only thing you can transmit through a transplant that's been verifiably demonstrated is pathogens.

Pathogens and microbes can influence alot about our bodies

Maybe a “memory” like a neuron based thing isnt what is being transmitted, but instead nearest urges directed by unique sets of microbes found in individuals

Re: Memories Can Be Injected and Survive Amputation and Metamorphosis

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Post by copperx »

_f9cu wrote: post #11
tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #3

Small aside about memory in humans: I am reminded of a story told during a lecture of a transplant recipient receiving a heart transplant and was interviewed after the successful surgery about what they would like to eat now that they had a new heart (previously, was on a really restricted diet due to heart condition). The person responded with "Kentucky fried chicken" on a whim. It was later explained that they don'…

Thanks for sharing. We kind of waste our time by verifying with science for new surprises. We live for googling -> starting threads). Instead, simplify the facts and write it down on paper. Keep accumulating your findings, you will come up with your own more connected theories. Occasionally, prove your theories wrong to build a stronger base knowledge. My message is just a reply for "Is this scientifically verifiable…

> We live for What country are you from?

Re: Memories Can Be Injected and Survive Amputation and Metamorphosis

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Post by rimliu »

_f9cu wrote: post #11
tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #3

Small aside about memory in humans: I am reminded of a story told during a lecture of a transplant recipient receiving a heart transplant and was interviewed after the successful surgery about what they would like to eat now that they had a new heart (previously, was on a really restricted diet due to heart condition). The person responded with "Kentucky fried chicken" on a whim. It was later explained that they don'…

Thanks for sharing. We kind of waste our time by verifying with science for new surprises. We live for googling -> starting threads). Instead, simplify the facts and write it down on paper. Keep accumulating your findings, you will come up with your own more connected theories. Occasionally, prove your theories wrong to build a stronger base knowledge. My message is just a reply for "Is this scientifically verifiable…

    > We live for
That's false. And please hold on with "your own theories". We have too much "fun" with antivaxers already.

Re: Memories Can Be Injected and Survive Amputation and Metamorphosis

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Post by RossBencina »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #9
tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #3

Small aside about memory in humans: I am reminded of a story told during a lecture of a transplant recipient receiving a heart transplant and was interviewed after the successful surgery about what they would like to eat now that they had a new heart (previously, was on a really restricted diet due to heart condition). The person responded with "Kentucky fried chicken" on a whim. It was later explained that they don'…

Acquiring memories and personalities through organ transplants is a somewhat known urban legend and a fiction trope, but AFAIK the only thing you can transmit through a transplant that's been verifiably demonstrated is pathogens.

And DNA, in the case of bone marrow transplant:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/07/us/dna-bone-marrow-transp...

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Post by thinkingemote »

duskwuff wrote: post #8
wildduck wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh and here is the KFC thing. https://www.namahjournal.com/doc/Actual/Memory-transference-...

Note, however: While this web site has "journal" in its title, it is not a scientific publication. Namah describes itself as "The Journal of Integral Health" -- it is published by a branch of a yogic spiritual community. This doesn't necessarily mean that the anecdotes described there are false, but I'd be inclined to take them with a grain of salt.

A grain of salt, pepper and herbs and spices

Re: Memories Can Be Injected and Survive Amputation and Metamorphosis

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Post by im3w1l »

wildduck wrote: post #5
r_singh wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting... any chance you have a link of that lecture or a story on it?

There are many cases of people who get organ transplant inherit the memory of the donor. I have heard in more than one places or another. A simple search on the web will yield this: Here is a link: https://www.medicaldaily.com/can-organ-transplant-change-rec... We still don't know squats about how memory are stored. And cases like that can be a valid argument for memory and consciousness being a non-local phenomenon.…

Memories in the conventional sense are stored in the brain.

By stretching the definition of memory, you can get to the conclusion that the whole body remembers. Scientists have found that the neurons in the spine learn when practicing motor tasks. The immune system remembers pathogens. Hormonal glands remember concentrations of relevant hormones by growing / shrinking. Muscles (including the heart) remember exercise by growing. If you play the guitar your fingertips harden, they "remember" the stress and toughen up in anticipation. And every single cell will learn by epigenetic changes. Maybe you could say that diabetes type 2 happens because the cells learn to respond less to insulin.

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