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Re: StyleGAN2

#11

Post by JoeAltmaier »

bonoboTP wrote: post #10
supermatt wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patent grants. Its a butchered Amazon Software License: https://aws.amazon.com/asl/

I've never understood why it's allowed to give up "suing rights" in contracts. It is in the interest of the public that any law infringement gets investigated and the infringers punished. In principle a lawsuit is just asking a neutral party to judge whether there indeed was a law breaking where I suspect there was one. Ideally, this is not a inherently hostile action that should be met with any negative consequences…

Giving up such rights is often accompanied by alternative ways of arbitrating disagreement. That's reasonable, as it avoids 50% of the cost (lawyers) in such cases.

Re: StyleGAN2

#12

Post by jdkdnfndnfjd »

It makes me feel ill to see computers doing things like this. Aidungeon was difficult to stomach as well. GANs were invented on a whim by a single person. Nobody thought it would work when applied to this kind of problem. It came out of nowhere. Pretty soon someone will try something on a higher order task and it’s going to work. We are opening Pandora’s box and I’m not sure that we should do that.

Re: StyleGAN2

#13

Post by bonoboTP »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #11
bonoboTP wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood why it's allowed to give up "suing rights" in contracts. It is in the interest of the public that any law infringement gets investigated and the infringers punished. In principle a lawsuit is just asking a neutral party to judge whether there indeed was a law breaking where I suspect there was one. Ideally, this is not a inherently hostile action that should be met with any negative consequences…

Giving up such rights is often accompanied by alternative ways of arbitrating disagreement. That's reasonable, as it avoids 50% of the cost (lawyers) in such cases.

I dream of a world where I can present my complaints in plain English and have it considered by a court, without having to pay a fortune to lawyers.

It's somehow an accepted state of affairs that even if you're in the right, you need some cunning lawyers who will twist words in the right way and build a strong narrative of why you are right, otherwise tough luck.

Justice should not be up for purchase.

Re: StyleGAN2

#15

Post by tiborsaas »

Imagine when these faces start talking, tracking objects with their eyes with a perfectly synthesized voice all, generated in real time.

Re: StyleGAN2

#16

Post by ebg13 »

Veedrac wrote: post #9

I set up this super simple ‘Which Face Is Real?’ ( http://www.whichfaceisreal.com/ ) style challenge. Click the row to show the answers. You might need to zoom out. https://veedrac.github.io/stylegan2-real-or-fake/game.html There's a harder version as well, where the image is zoomed in. https://veedrac.github.io/stylegan2-real-or-fake/game_croppe... I get 100% reliably with the first link (game.html), and got 4/5 on…

> I get 100% reliably with the first link, and got 4/5 on the cropped version so far.

Looking at whichfaceisreal, How much time do you have to spend on each decision, and would your success rate change if you didn't know in advance that exactly 1 of 2 was generated? It's easy to say 100% reliable, but I find myself really having to dig deep with my eyes to search for small tells* , which you have to know to do up front before you actually do it.

* - Often the tells are as minuscule as some ringing around the hair, which could just as easily be compression artifacts on a real photo.

Re: StyleGAN2

#17

Post by Miraste »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #11
bonoboTP wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood why it's allowed to give up "suing rights" in contracts. It is in the interest of the public that any law infringement gets investigated and the infringers punished. In principle a lawsuit is just asking a neutral party to judge whether there indeed was a law breaking where I suspect there was one. Ideally, this is not a inherently hostile action that should be met with any negative consequences…

Giving up such rights is often accompanied by alternative ways of arbitrating disagreement. That's reasonable, as it avoids 50% of the cost (lawyers) in such cases.

It's usually not reasonable at all, as whoever does the arbitration depends on the large company behind the contract for continued income, and is therefore strongly incentivized to rule in their favor.

Re: StyleGAN2

#18

Post by Veedrac »

ebg13 wrote: post #16
Veedrac wrote: post #9

I set up this super simple ‘Which Face Is Real?’ ( http://www.whichfaceisreal.com/ ) style challenge. Click the row to show the answers. You might need to zoom out. https://veedrac.github.io/stylegan2-real-or-fake/game.html There's a harder version as well, where the image is zoomed in. https://veedrac.github.io/stylegan2-real-or-fake/game_croppe... I get 100% reliably with the first link (game.html), and got 4/5 on…

> I get 100% reliably with the first link, and got 4/5 on the cropped version so far. Looking at whichfaceisreal, How much time do you have to spend on each decision, and would your success rate change if you didn't know in advance that exactly 1 of 2 was generated? It's easy to say 100% reliable, but I find myself really having to dig deep with my eyes to search for small tells * , which you have to know to do up fr…

For the first link (game.html), normally 5-10s, but much longer or shorter for some of them. For the second (game_cropped.html), it takes much longer, like a minute or so, except when the real image contains something distinctive StyleGAN2 can't do. For whichfaceisreal.com, which uses the original StyleGAN and only offers two options, none hand-picked, it takes me a second or two.

Re: StyleGAN2

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Post by [deleted] »

anonfunction wrote: post #14

I'm surprised to see Nvidia hosting[1] the pre-trained networks on google drive which has already been blocked for going over the quota: > Google Drive download quota exceeded -- please try again later 1. https://github.com/NVlabs/stylegan2#using-pre-trained-networ...

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Re: StyleGAN2

#20

Post by allenbrunson »

jdkdnfndnfjd wrote: post #12

It makes me feel ill to see computers doing things like this. Aidungeon was difficult to stomach as well. GANs were invented on a whim by a single person. Nobody thought it would work when applied to this kind of problem. It came out of nowhere. Pretty soon someone will try something on a higher order task and it’s going to work. We are opening Pandora’s box and I’m not sure that we should do that.

okay, i'll be the one to stick my neck out ...

i read a few of the AI Dungeon transcripts. i think it's worthless. you type in a command, like you would with an actual infocom-style adventure game, and it spits out a bunch of flowery language and gobbledygook, the likes of which you can get in abundance from any self-help guru. there is no state, no way to win, no way to lose. to compare it to actual adventure games is ludicrous.

likewise, i have yet to see anything having to do with StyleGAN photo manipulation that goes very far beyond the level of a parlor trick.

this stuff is going to appeal to the same people who love cryptocurrencies, and will have about the same level of real-world effect.

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