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Motorola Cliq XT Won’t Get Android 2.1 Upgrade

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Re: Motorola Cliq XT Won’t Get Android 2.1 Upgrade

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What does being open have to do with Motorola not updating one of their phones?

Being open means that someone technically proficient could then update it themselves. Gruber is arguing that most users aren't that proficient, so being open doesn't compensate well for a manufacturer, like Motorola, failing to update their phones themselves.

Re: Motorola Cliq XT Won’t Get Android 2.1 Upgrade

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it as the opposite: Android users can update their software regardless of what their manufacturer does.

I think you missed the irony. Such a small percentage of people will ever type something into a terminal that it's irrelevant.

Even more that command would not give you the ability to reflash your phone.

You would still have to root it and get a rom that works on that model.

Re: Motorola Cliq XT Won’t Get Android 2.1 Upgrade

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So are iPhone users. The difference being that Apple has shown a track record of updating their older phones, while Motorola is developing a track record of the opposite. There's nothing stopping a manufacturer from developing a good track record with an Android phone, but so far most haven't. Developing such a reputation could be a strong competitive advantage for someone making Android phones.

so, what would be the advantage of being "open"?

There are many advantages of being "open", but being "open" is not a good substitute for having the manufacturer keep the phone up to date.

Re: Motorola Cliq XT Won’t Get Android 2.1 Upgrade

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post #9

What does being open have to do with Motorola not updating one of their phones?

Being open means that someone technically proficient could then update it themselves. Gruber is arguing that most users aren't that proficient, so being open doesn't compensate well for a manufacturer, like Motorola, failing to update their phones themselves.

I agree with you but I think you miss part of the argument. Yes there's a very small number of users who are that proficient but even those who are would have spend a monstrous amount of time to update the phone and make sure it works. Time built creating something that people will discard a year from now when they buy a new phone.

Re: Motorola Cliq XT Won’t Get Android 2.1 Upgrade

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it as the opposite: Android users can update their software regardless of what their manufacturer does.

I think you missed the irony. Such a small percentage of people will ever type something into a terminal that it's irrelevant.

All that really means is that most people don't really care that much about the number buried way deep in their phone's Settings menus.

Re: Motorola Cliq XT Won’t Get Android 2.1 Upgrade

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post #9

What does being open have to do with Motorola not updating one of their phones?

Being open means that someone technically proficient could then update it themselves. Gruber is arguing that most users aren't that proficient, so being open doesn't compensate well for a manufacturer, like Motorola, failing to update their phones themselves.

I get that. But Motorola being incompetent doesn't mean being open is not advantageous - which is what the article seems to imply. Would you blame C++ if someone uses C++ incorrectly?

Take for example CyanogenMod - the guys involved in the project don't get paid by any of the manufacturers, but they are able to build ROMs that can run on a host of devices while providing a consistent stock-Android user experience. How is that for being open.

List of devices with nightly CM7 (Gingerbread) builds: http://mirror.teamdouche.net/?type=nightly

Re: Motorola Cliq XT Won’t Get Android 2.1 Upgrade

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post #5
post #2

Translation: Android users are at the mercy of hardware manufacturers and carriers.

So are iPhone users. The difference being that Apple has shown a track record of updating their older phones, while Motorola is developing a track record of the opposite. There's nothing stopping a manufacturer from developing a good track record with an Android phone, but so far most haven't. Developing such a reputation could be a strong competitive advantage for someone making Android phones.

Agree with you. Someone should step up their game when it comes to updating their older phones.

Apple can do that with the iPhone and Google can do it with their Nexus models probably because they don't release a bazillion different phone models in a year (like HTC/Motorola/etc...).

Re: Motorola Cliq XT Won’t Get Android 2.1 Upgrade

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post #19
post #3

i.e. Don't trust Motorola to update their phones.

What do you mean? We should "trust" Apple instead?

Trust them to update the software on their own phones? Yes i trust them to do that, especially for the current model which is more than i can say for a lot of Android OEMs.
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