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ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by syshum »

Hopefully, this puts to rest the idea that government can use "private contracts" as a end-run around constitutional and legal restrictions on their activity

They have been hiding behind the NDA as a reason they should not have to follow federal disclosure laws, but never in the history of the law has a private contract superceeded the law itself.

they also hide behind these same NDA's when criminal defendants get to court and want to challenge the use of the tech on 4th amendment grounds

Hopefully the ACLU can put a end to that, the government should not be able to contract with any organization that prevents them from disclosing their activity to the public. Seems law enfrocement has lost sight of who they awnser to, which should be the people of this nation

Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by calibas »

Stingray use requires a warrant and every case should be dismissed where one was used without a warrant. I'm sure that's the main reason they want to hide the use of stingrays, they know they're doing something wrong.

Police having the ability to spy on everyone with little to no oversight is nightmarish authoritarianism, it's completely against the spirit of American democracy, not to mention in violation of The Constitution.

Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by calibas »

syshum wrote: post #11

Hopefully, this puts to rest the idea that government can use "private contracts" as a end-run around constitutional and legal restrictions on their activity They have been hiding behind the NDA as a reason they should not have to follow federal disclosure laws, but never in the history of the law has a private contract superceeded the law itself. they also hide behind these same NDA's when criminal defendants get to…

cough Five eyes cough

Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by fooey »

calibas wrote: post #12

Stingray use requires a warrant and every case should be dismissed where one was used without a warrant. I'm sure that's the main reason they want to hide the use of stingrays, they know they're doing something wrong. Police having the ability to spy on everyone with little to no oversight is nightmarish authoritarianism, it's completely against the spirit of American democracy, not to mention in violation of The Con…

The problem is knowing a Stingray was ever used in the first place. It's been documented that the police routinely utilize parallel construction when they discover things through illegal means in the first place.

https://www.wired.com/story/stingray-secret-surveillance-pro...

Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by caconym_ »

r00fus wrote: post #7
caconym_ wrote: post #3

Presumably Homeland Security and its child agencies are targeting everybody within 100 miles of a border (~65% of the population) with any and every form of surveillance they can think of, because why not? It's very legal, and very cool.

> It's very legal, and very cool. With who? I'd really like to know who is copacetic with this kind of surveillance state.

Per the context at the knowyourmeme link, by "very legal and very cool" I essentially mean "we've decided it's legal and now we're doing it and you might think we're full of shit but what are you going to do about it, little people?"

Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by opportune »

whatshisface wrote: post #9
r00fus wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's very legal, and very cool. With who? I'd really like to know who is copacetic with this kind of surveillance state.

Cool as in "tacticool," like driving military surplus IED-hardened vehicles around for small town policing.

Or staging a shootout over property theft in an area full of civilians

Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by Brain_Thief »

3fe9a03ccd14ca5 wrote: post #4
caconym_ wrote: post #3

Presumably Homeland Security and its child agencies are targeting everybody within 100 miles of a border (~65% of the population) with any and every form of surveillance they can think of, because why not? It's very legal, and very cool.

Well they’re targeting incoming presidents of the USA for any reason so why not everyone else as well?

"For any reason" is exactly the opposite of why the Trump campaign drew the scrutiny of intelligence agencies.

Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by snifflumpus »

calibas wrote: post #12

Stingray use requires a warrant and every case should be dismissed where one was used without a warrant. I'm sure that's the main reason they want to hide the use of stingrays, they know they're doing something wrong. Police having the ability to spy on everyone with little to no oversight is nightmarish authoritarianism, it's completely against the spirit of American democracy, not to mention in violation of The Con…

You should go read about parallel construction :-)

Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by caconym_ »

opportune wrote: post #16
whatshisface wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool as in "tacticool," like driving military surplus IED-hardened vehicles around for small town policing.

Or staging a shootout over property theft in an area full of civilians

or taking a guy to the hospital in chains so that doctors can spend the night inspecting the inside of his rectum and colon with increasingly invasive procedures because you think he might be hiding drugs in there

Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

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Post by calibas »

fooey wrote: post #14
calibas wrote: post #12

Stingray use requires a warrant and every case should be dismissed where one was used without a warrant. I'm sure that's the main reason they want to hide the use of stingrays, they know they're doing something wrong. Police having the ability to spy on everyone with little to no oversight is nightmarish authoritarianism, it's completely against the spirit of American democracy, not to mention in violation of The Con…

The problem is knowing a Stingray was ever used in the first place. It's been documented that the police routinely utilize parallel construction when they discover things through illegal means in the first place. https://www.wired.com/story/stingray-secret-surveillance-pro...

Seems like the police casually breaking the law is the core of the issue. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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