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Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by ThomPete »

sambull wrote: post #6
ianai wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you want a climate change dictator?

Dictator? I simply said the market/and economists can't price in damage to our environment and won't. If you feel any regulation on a corporation is being a dictator than maybe the answer is yes in your context. We've had to dictate the direction many times in the past when industry has become to exploitative of either labor or resources.

The latest major scale dictation was Chinas 1 child policy and that lead to a bunch of different problems.

And what businesses are being exploitative?

95% of what you take for granted is made by using fossil fuels whether, tires, medicine, food, concrete, cement, steel manufactoring, computers, machines, contact lenses, textiles, pesticides, plumbing, housing, damns, solar cells, windmills, the internet and I could go on.

What are you suggesting we dictate and what price are you ready to pay for this? Are you also going to go to war with china when they won't stop pulling their population out of poverty.

You speak as if the environment was this perfect non-hostile place before we came along, but reality is it's the other way around.

Nature is hostile and dangerous and we've used fossil fuels to make it less dangerous. The positive externalities if fossil fuels far outweigh the negative.

That doesn't mean we should continue using fossil fuels but we better have a realistic alterantive IMO.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by revscat »

ianai wrote: post #4
sambull wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope they can't price this in; and would look and whistle the other way if they had too.

Do you want a climate change dictator?

Maybe? You’re still seem to be thinking about this in anachronistic terms. Every political and economic philosophy is based upon the unspoken assumption that there will always be a climate hospitable to human life. This means that neoliberalism is flawed at its core. Every economic and social theory that does not start with addressing the external costs of carbon dioxide is incorrect at its foundation.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by czbond »

simonsarris wrote: post #8

Boy are characterizations like this getting tired. An actually accurate title would read something like: Farm and industry run-off in certain areas of the world is depleting oxygen in certain parts of the ocean. The vast majority of the issue isn't related to rising temps, it would still be there if there were no rising temps. It is the agricultural and industrial runoff in what I suspect are very, very specific part…

I'm not informed enough to make a reply comment, but thank you for adding clarity - it informed me.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by endorphone »

simonsarris wrote: post #8

Boy are characterizations like this getting tired. An actually accurate title would read something like: Farm and industry run-off in certain areas of the world is depleting oxygen in certain parts of the ocean. The vast majority of the issue isn't related to rising temps, it would still be there if there were no rising temps. It is the agricultural and industrial runoff in what I suspect are very, very specific part…

Warmer waters hold less oxygen. This is fundamental, scientific fact..

The article specifically mentions the relatively small problem of run-off, and then the broader problem of, you know, entire oceans. A relatively constant, albeit still problematic, issue with runoff is pretty mild compared to the potentially for extremely wide-scale change from climate, hence the alarmism.

To snidely quote from the beginning of your reply-

"Boy are characterizations like this getting tired."

I'm sorry you had to go through these trials. How very heroic of you to set the record straight for all these dummies. You surely must have some relevant education and peer group, right?

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by endorphone »

czbond wrote: post #14
simonsarris wrote: post #8

Boy are characterizations like this getting tired. An actually accurate title would read something like: Farm and industry run-off in certain areas of the world is depleting oxygen in certain parts of the ocean. The vast majority of the issue isn't related to rising temps, it would still be there if there were no rising temps. It is the agricultural and industrial runoff in what I suspect are very, very specific part…

I'm not informed enough to make a reply comment, but thank you for adding clarity - it informed me.

If you read an article citing the conclusions of an international group with 15,000+ experts in their respective field, many member nations and their scientific establishment, etc, and you believe some random comment by some random guy on the internet adds "clarity", you need to really reconsider how you evaluate information.

This is how we ended up in the situations of enormous ignorance in the climate change and immunization realms, as if scientific rigour, consensus, statistical and foundational fact, etc, are all contentious the moment some random blowhard gives their opinion.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by Phylter »

simonsarris wrote: post #8

Boy are characterizations like this getting tired. An actually accurate title would read something like: Farm and industry run-off in certain areas of the world is depleting oxygen in certain parts of the ocean. The vast majority of the issue isn't related to rising temps, it would still be there if there were no rising temps. It is the agricultural and industrial runoff in what I suspect are very, very specific part…

Honestly, sensational headlines like this are why so many people have a difficult time buying into climate change. If the media would present it as it actually is then I think more people would get on board.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by acollins1331 »

simonsarris wrote: post #8

Boy are characterizations like this getting tired. An actually accurate title would read something like: Farm and industry run-off in certain areas of the world is depleting oxygen in certain parts of the ocean. The vast majority of the issue isn't related to rising temps, it would still be there if there were no rising temps. It is the agricultural and industrial runoff in what I suspect are very, very specific part…

Warmer waters increase CO2 dissolution into the water.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

endorphone wrote: post #16
czbond wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not informed enough to make a reply comment, but thank you for adding clarity - it informed me.

If you read an article citing the conclusions of an international group with 15,000+ experts in their respective field, many member nations and their scientific establishment, etc, and you believe some random comment by some random guy on the internet adds "clarity", you need to really reconsider how you evaluate information. This is how we ended up in the situations of enormous ignorance in the climate change and im…

While I agree with you, it's not unreasonable to try to correct for expected press sensationalism.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by ivanhoe »

ianai wrote: post #4
sambull wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope they can't price this in; and would look and whistle the other way if they had too.

Do you want a climate change dictator?

Without some form of government or entity to dictate and enforce the laws the free market wouldn't stay free for long, country would turn into Somalia quickly. Why is this different?
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