This is the kind of construction that is great if you can afford it. As a cyclist I would love it, as a taxpayer I am not sure I do: it is not cheap enough to be mass implemented, building one (or a handful) is then a marketing stunt. If I use the bicycle to go to work I have a dozen of heavy traffic intersections to cross, about 1/4 of the trip time I spend waiting for a green light, if one of these would be built there will be no significant change to the overall experience.
New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
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Re: New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
#12That's just insane, building two sets of parallel road systems, it's probably the most inefficient engineering ever, are you also going to build a new set when a new type of vehicle comes along? what about a scooter only road? And all of this because of the irrational believe that cyclists are inferior and can not share the road with motorists. I am so glad I don't live in Denmark.
But that's in the Netherlands.
Re: New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
#13That's just insane, building two sets of parallel road systems, it's probably the most inefficient engineering ever, are you also going to build a new set when a new type of vehicle comes along? what about a scooter only road? And all of this because of the irrational believe that cyclists are inferior and can not share the road with motorists. I am so glad I don't live in Denmark.
What makes cars deserve a big piece of asphalt but cyclers not? We have a lot of cyclers in the Netherlands and they deserve the safety and convenience of separate roads, away from multi-ton vehicles.
Also, bike roads are not as overly constructed like car roads (maybe just 1 or 2 layers of asphalt instead of more)
Re: New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
#14That's just insane, building two sets of parallel road systems, it's probably the most inefficient engineering ever, are you also going to build a new set when a new type of vehicle comes along? what about a scooter only road? And all of this because of the irrational believe that cyclists are inferior and can not share the road with motorists. I am so glad I don't live in Denmark.
But that's in the Netherlands.
You are right, I am so glad I don't live in the Netherlands :D
Re: New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
#15That's just insane, building two sets of parallel road systems, it's probably the most inefficient engineering ever, are you also going to build a new set when a new type of vehicle comes along? what about a scooter only road? And all of this because of the irrational believe that cyclists are inferior and can not share the road with motorists. I am so glad I don't live in Denmark.
What makes cars deserve a big piece of asphalt but cyclers not? We have a lot of cyclers in the Netherlands and they deserve the safety and convenience of separate roads, away from multi-ton vehicles. Also, bike roads are not as overly constructed like car roads (maybe just 1 or 2 layers of asphalt instead of more)
The problem segregating bicycles is that that automatically means that they are excluded from the best infrastructure which are the regular roads, which by the way do not belong to cars. I suffer that discrimination everyday when I ride my bike and there is a bike path adjacent to the road in places where I had no problem before, and that's after many years of riding so I can tell you that it is completely safe to share the road. Bike paths are built to kick us out of the roads it is pretty obvious to me now.
Re: New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is even better by letting the cars do the vertical movement, while the bikes stay on flat ground.
Bikes also have some vertical movement there, but it's hard to see in the perspective.
And making bikes go down before an intersection is a terrible idea because cyclists are extremely keen on preserving inertia when they know that it's going uphill soon. When an intersection is raised, yielding becomes almost zero-cost.
Re: New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
#17That's just insane, building two sets of parallel road systems, it's probably the most inefficient engineering ever, are you also going to build a new set when a new type of vehicle comes along? what about a scooter only road? And all of this because of the irrational believe that cyclists are inferior and can not share the road with motorists. I am so glad I don't live in Denmark.
You realize that the Netherlands is famous for being probably the most bike-friendly country in the world? Everybody cycles, and cyclists are definitely not seen as inferior to vehicle traffic.
Re: New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
#18That's just insane, building two sets of parallel road systems, it's probably the most inefficient engineering ever, are you also going to build a new set when a new type of vehicle comes along? what about a scooter only road? And all of this because of the irrational believe that cyclists are inferior and can not share the road with motorists. I am so glad I don't live in Denmark.
You realize that the Netherlands is famous for being probably the most bike-friendly country in the world? Everybody cycles, and cyclists are definitely not seen as inferior to vehicle traffic.
There were bicycles in the Netherlands before they were segregated, a lot of them. Then they were kicked off the roads to let "progress" (i.e. the car) go unimpeded. Now yeah, they sell that as bike-friendly, so sad.
Re: New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes cars deserve a big piece of asphalt but cyclers not? We have a lot of cyclers in the Netherlands and they deserve the safety and convenience of separate roads, away from multi-ton vehicles. Also, bike roads are not as overly constructed like car roads (maybe just 1 or 2 layers of asphalt instead of more)
The problem segregating bicycles is that that automatically means that they are excluded from the best infrastructure which are the regular roads, which by the way do not belong to cars. I suffer that discrimination everyday when I ride my bike and there is a bike path adjacent to the road in places where I had no problem before, and that's after many years of riding so I can tell you that it is completely safe to sh…
> The problem segregating bicycles is that that automatically means that they are excluded from the best infrastructure which are the regular roads
The above is purely a public policy decision. We (as in we the people) can decide to change this.
Re: New Floating Cycle Roundabout (2012)
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem segregating bicycles is that that automatically means that they are excluded from the best infrastructure which are the regular roads, which by the way do not belong to cars. I suffer that discrimination everyday when I ride my bike and there is a bike path adjacent to the road in places where I had no problem before, and that's after many years of riding so I can tell you that it is completely safe to sh…
> The problem segregating bicycles is that that automatically means that they are excluded from the best infrastructure which are the regular roads The above is purely a public policy decision. We (as in we the people) can decide to change this.
Of course the example here might not be so bad because it is so far away from the road that motorists may not know it is there. The moment they know and they see you on the regular road then they yell at you harass you.