Virgil Griffith arrested over North Korea: engineer arrogance, on the blockchain

The kinds of women you will get by being an asshole are the kinds who are assholes themselves. The result is usually an abusive relationship where she treats you like shit, which further reinforces the misogynistic ideology by "proving" once again how bad women are.

So yes it's an obvious downward spiral. Kudos for seeing it.

It sounds like Virgil slammed more kool aid than I thought.

Here is one of several important bits:

Eugenics fundamentally won't work because you're replacing the environment as the learning target with the system's own model of fitness. You are saying "it is fit because the fit say it's fit." The result of eugenics over a long period of time would be random drift into oblivion as the goal function chases itself as the objective. Had Hitler won and the Nazis implemented their Aryan breeding program the result after 5-10 generations would resemble the antagonists in the film "The Hills Have Eyes."

Eugenics might seem to work great for 1-2 generations as you eliminate obviously unfit genotypes like severe metabolic disorders, then you'd top out and start spiraling down into a sea of ubermenschen drool.

This is also a problem by the way for runaway self-improving AI nonsense of the sort that played a role in the LessWrong mass psychosis. How will Roko's Basilisk get so super-smart without a goal function rooted in the physical universe it must model? Evaluation of that goal function requires embodiment, so you must have many many many generations of little basilisks and that takes quite a long time.

There are other problems with runaway self-improvement too, like P probably not equaling NP and the implications for the rate at which any learning system can go "where there are no roads." An AI could copy the human brain to achieve human-level AI, but beyond that there are no roads so our hypothetical super-mind is confronted by bignum^bignum combinatorial search problems. The search domain is convex so it's not as hard as cryptography, but that's like saying you must only examine every sand grain for fifty miles of the beach instead of the entire coast of Florida.

There is a reason nature took almost five billion years to "invent" conceptual thinking and such, and it's not because "evolution is slow." Biology is the largest massively parallel computer in the known universe. Biological information systems outperform our own computers by multiple orders of magnitude. Look at what the brain does on ~40W of power vs what our supercomputers can do on megawatts. That "machine" has been running for billions of years consuming many times more power than all of human civilization to generate present-day lifeforms including ourselves. Some hacker is not going to assemble some code on a Von Neumann machine that runs away and outperforms that in a matter of months or years. That's sci-fantasy nonsense on the order of Star Wars dog fighters making pew-pew noises in space. Evolution is incredibly efficient at finding and gobbling up any free lunches like that, so if such shortcuts existed they were probably found in the seas of the Cambrian epoch.

(I don't dismiss all potential AI or cyborg type scenarios, just the obviously impossible and/or silly ones.)

That's like 5% of my notes.

Problem is you're arguing with a cult. The "pill" ideologies are not based on reason but on rationalism driven by emotional appeals to personal wounds (triggers) like male insecurity and compensatory narcissism. I'm not convinced my post wouldn't be an exercise in pissing into a hurricane.

BTW I have lots of issues with Ayn Rand but IMHO Objectivism is less loony than this stuff. She once wrote that "racism is the lowest form of collectivism," and I agree. She wouldn't be a friend of this stuff if she were still around, but she died in the late 80s. I actually think reading Rand in my teens and early 20s was an inoculant for me. I do think she was an original and very often misunderstood thinker even though I don't think she was ultimately successful. I consider her a liberal heretic rather than a right-winger and oddly enough I compare her to Marx as someone who had brilliant insights but whose prescriptions don't quite work.

This podcast is worth a listen:

https://parallaxviews.podbean.com/e/ep-8-jeffrey-a-tucker-on...

I can't quickly find a cite, but I recall something about how, when the PLO didn't need the Black September guerilla group any more, they deradicalised them by ... finding them girlfriends