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Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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And of course, RCS is not even end-to-end-encrypted so there is no reason whatsoever to use it over SMS or any other messaging platform. I hope we'll see a good and federated instant-messaging platform that respects privacy and is easy to adopt.

I'm a fan of the matrix protocol. But even if matrix doesn't take off, I'm sure - in fact very hopeful - that there will be something federated that replaces sms and instant messaging platforms.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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And of course, RCS is not even end-to-end-encrypted so there is no reason whatsoever to use it over SMS or any other messaging platform. I hope we'll see a good and federated instant-messaging platform that respects privacy and is easy to adopt.

Such as.... email?

a total pain in the ass to really secure.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2018/06/e-mail_vulner...

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Telcos should focus on being dump pipes and leave the application layer to others. Going into messages or even content is nothing but a rent seeking attempt to exploit a missing net neutrality mandate.

I don't really care who sets it up, but since everyone that is currently on facebook chat (be it Messenger or WhatsApp) is also a customer of some mobile carrier, having the carriers create an alternative is not a completely ridiculous idea when we want to make the chat infrastructure distributed/federated. I'd be happy to MMS my uncle if it didn't cost like two euros per 640x480 picture; RCS seems to be the way I'll be able to do that without going through Facebook.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Telcos should focus on being dump pipes and leave the application layer to others. Going into messages or even content is nothing but a rent seeking attempt to exploit a missing net neutrality mandate.

Devil’s advocate: it’ll never change because where’s the money in being the provider of dumb pipes?

More to the point, if you’re a publicly traded company with stock price and future earnings based off on this kind of rent seeking being priced into your valuation, and let’s also say you desperately wanted to do some the honorable thing and ramp operations down to dumb pipe level, how could the markets and shareholders ever let you do that?

The Ma Bells of this world are in over their heads and it’s hard to see things change without state intervention (a politically sensitive topic over in the UK, but that could get pretty off topic.)

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Telcos should focus on being dump pipes and leave the application layer to others. Going into messages or even content is nothing but a rent seeking attempt to exploit a missing net neutrality mandate.

Devil’s advocate: it’ll never change because where’s the money in being the provider of dumb pipes? More to the point, if you’re a publicly traded company with stock price and future earnings based off on this kind of rent seeking being priced into your valuation, and let’s also say you desperately wanted to do some the honorable thing and ramp operations down to dumb pipe level, how could the markets and shareholder…

>because where’s the money in being the provider of dumb pipes?

In longevity. We will always need dumb pipe companies. If you can keep a decent reputation then perhaps it'll be easier to continue offering that service. You're less likely to get regulated and people will still use your services if a competitor appears. Steam is a good example on that front. If a company wants to make the maximum amount of profit then longevity is a must.

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