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On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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Re: On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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I've often thought along these same lines (c.f. Asimov's Galaxia concept) but I think that this one-ness will inherently be limited by distance. Thoughts can be propagated across a planet pretty quickly but if we become a multi-planet civilization I would expect each planet to have it's own "one mind" (or whatever you want to call it) simply because of communication latency.

Thought doesn't have mass. I see no reason to discount superluminal communication.

Re: On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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post #11

I've often thought along these same lines (c.f. Asimov's Galaxia concept) but I think that this one-ness will inherently be limited by distance. Thoughts can be propagated across a planet pretty quickly but if we become a multi-planet civilization I would expect each planet to have it's own "one mind" (or whatever you want to call it) simply because of communication latency.

Thought doesn't have mass. I see no reason to discount superluminal communication.

Fair point. Another argument in favor of multiple one-ness is that of monocultures. In general things that become a monoculture are more vulnerable to sudden death. For long term survival diversity is good, and I imagine that planet-level conciousnesses would spawn daughter conciousnesses as they expand to other planets. Those daughter conciousnesses would further evolve and reproduce rather than being strongly tied to the parent.

Re: On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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post #11

I've often thought along these same lines (c.f. Asimov's Galaxia concept) but I think that this one-ness will inherently be limited by distance. Thoughts can be propagated across a planet pretty quickly but if we become a multi-planet civilization I would expect each planet to have it's own "one mind" (or whatever you want to call it) simply because of communication latency.

Thought doesn't have mass. I see no reason to discount superluminal communication.

Superluminal communication breaks causality regardless of whether mass is involved, and we have no evidence that effects can happen before they are caused.

Re: On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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post #11

I've often thought along these same lines (c.f. Asimov's Galaxia concept) but I think that this one-ness will inherently be limited by distance. Thoughts can be propagated across a planet pretty quickly but if we become a multi-planet civilization I would expect each planet to have it's own "one mind" (or whatever you want to call it) simply because of communication latency.

Thought doesn't have mass. I see no reason to discount superluminal communication.

Are you sure about that? Bits have mass.

Re: On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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post #11

I've often thought along these same lines (c.f. Asimov's Galaxia concept) but I think that this one-ness will inherently be limited by distance. Thoughts can be propagated across a planet pretty quickly but if we become a multi-planet civilization I would expect each planet to have it's own "one mind" (or whatever you want to call it) simply because of communication latency.

Thought doesn't have mass. I see no reason to discount superluminal communication.

Photons don't have mass either. Yet they cannot exceed the speed of light.

Re: On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thought doesn't have mass. I see no reason to discount superluminal communication.

Are you sure about that? Bits have mass.

The underlying substrate on which bits register has mass but do they?

Re: On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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An addictive, codependent, smothering one-ness delivered with unquestioning religious fervour sounds like something I’d start an armed resistance against.

I imagine many people will feel the same way. Do you think the Oneness will let you alone or pull you in for your own good :-)

Reminds me of http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-long-chase/

Re: On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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It will happen across such a long and large gradient that no one will know or ever understand it. Does a single ant “know” what the whole colony wants? Yet one can describe the colony as a whole in many ways: finding food, reacting to threats, etc. Does a single neuron “know” it is part of a brain? Yet the brain acts as a system, responding to stimuli in a coordinated fashion. Hypothesis: we are already “one”, we jus…

When somebody speaks of a foreign country they're already abstracting millions of people into one being. It's especially humorous when emotion is applied to the foreign mass. "China is upset about XYZ".

Just as there is no China, there also is no me. I am the dance of a trillion cells who are each the dances of an infinite sea of atoms within and without them. Patterns on top of patterns forever.

Re: On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi Paradox)

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I question the assumption the trend is towards consolidation. We have more people, pursuing more interests, inhabiting more space than before. If we become able to mold intelligence itself, it seems equally likely to me that each human will become many intellects than all of us become one.

Not to mention that the version of the future the author projects is one where a person will choose to yield their mental independence to another. This runs right up against the entire history of humanity — humanity’s best systems are those which leverage individual self interests to collective good. Systems which assume individuals will not pursue self interest and self preservation seem to be unstable and prone to failure.

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