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Is Plagiarism Wrong?

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Re: Is Plagiarism Wrong?

#11
Yes, obviously IMO. Surprised I haven’t seen it mentioned here yet but the chief reason plagiarism is wrong in my view is that it’s typically employed in situations in which the finished work is used to “certify” the ability to prepare the finished work. By “stealing” that finished work, the plagiarizer is granted credentials that they don’t deserve, thereby rotting their given institution from within by being granted prestige without the expected concomitant skill to match. It’s institutional poison IMO

Re: Is Plagiarism Wrong?

#13

"Give with an open hand, and stop thinking about the tokens with which you will be repaid. Be happy to be worth stealing from. The future owes you nothing." I see ideas like this regularly on HN, yet when it comes to the GNU/GPL, violators are regularly excoriated. If you don't care about plagiarism, you shouldn't care about a company making money on code you decided to give out for free. My point is that people that…

HN does not have very unified views. I personally don’t care about GPL violations, but I am also not clicking on these stories you’re talking about so I don’t even see these HN discussions.

Re: Is Plagiarism Wrong?

#14

"Give with an open hand, and stop thinking about the tokens with which you will be repaid. Be happy to be worth stealing from. The future owes you nothing." I see ideas like this regularly on HN, yet when it comes to the GNU/GPL, violators are regularly excoriated. If you don't care about plagiarism, you shouldn't care about a company making money on code you decided to give out for free. My point is that people that…

> My point is that people that write these articles quickly change their mind

Do you know it's the same people?

Re: Is Plagiarism Wrong?

#15
Intentionally copying the work of someone else, letter by letter, with the goal of getting some kind of reward, can be seen as morally wrong.

But from there down you have a lot of shades of gray, can seven musical notes be taken as plagiarism if you do a different song with a sucession of notes that you didn't know from where they came (for you may be indistingishable from your own creation), or that you never heard before? Or a full phrase, in a different context, or a "common sense" algorythm to solve a common problem with not so many ways to solve it?

When you are not doing a full copy, at some point you reach the level of meme transmission, something that makes us humans, enabled the emergence of civilization and let us to stand on the shoulders of giants. Or worse, with just independent, but similar enough, work, putting laws penalizing that turns creation into a potential trap for whoever that doesn't have an army of lawyers already.

Re: Is Plagiarism Wrong?

#16
> outrage against plagiarists is about protecting idea-creators, not readers.

The author states this, but then says nothing to elaborate on their claim or justify it. As a "user" of academic writings, it is extremely annoying to come across stuff that's not referenced properly, has been gratuitously-reinvented in a way that fractures the lit on some topic, etc. It's bad enough when these things happen casually or by mistake, imagine if people actually started doing it on purpose, merely to claim credit on others' achievements. Treating this as a "moral" crusade of sorts seems to be totally justified.

Re: Is Plagiarism Wrong?

#17
post #5

Sounds like a bad apology from someone who got caught passing of others work as their own. Yes plagiarism is wrong, and no it’s not the entirety of academia that is wrong because you can’t get by without talent through just copying other people’s work.

Lots of knowledge (I’d say most) was handed out to modern us as a result of what today would be called plagiarists. It’s true, there was no grant system in the European Middle Ages and I guess the smart folk in Baghdad were also not that interested in being original or being seen as inventors/creators.

Re: Is Plagiarism Wrong?

#18

Yes, obviously IMO. Surprised I haven’t seen it mentioned here yet but the chief reason plagiarism is wrong in my view is that it’s typically employed in situations in which the finished work is used to “certify” the ability to prepare the finished work. By “stealing” that finished work, the plagiarizer is granted credentials that they don’t deserve, thereby rotting their given institution from within by being grante…

I think part of the problem here is that universities have repurposed the word "plagiarism" to include forms of cheating which it doesn't naturally cover.

For example, if a student pays someone else to write an essay, nowadays that gets classified as plagiarism. But it's hard to see it as a theft of ideas, any more than it's theft if I buy something from a shop.

Re: Is Plagiarism Wrong?

#19
Yes, plagiarism is wrong.

The author starts by telling how he, as a child, confused the directions of "write a poem" and "write down a poem". He then doubles down on this mistake, rather than concluding that English is weird.

The author conflates legality and morality, stating that any group that establishes extralegal moral norms needs to reexamine its assumptions. The author implicitly and incorrectly assumes that laws are the source of morals, rather than existing to incentive moral behavior.

The author fails to consider the effect of reputation. Reputation is a heuristic that is used to determine how likely something is, given how trustworthy the speaker is on the subject. If a researcher in an esoteric field, having contributed several results to the field, suggests a new way to interpret the field, that suggests that the idea has already been reasonably vetted. A crank email, on the other hand, may present similarly novel ideas, but they have not been vetted. Plagiarism inappropriately assigns reputation, subverting this heuristic.

The author's metaphor of the apple tree has some rather unfortunate implications. By the logic given, a person should plant apple trees farther from the property line, so that all apples fall well away from public roads. In scientific discovery, this would mean hiding one's findings, refusing to publish other than to state that a discovery has been made. This was the method that was in use through the 16th century, and resulted in much slower rate of progress. Read, for instance, the multiple discoveries of the Cardano Formula.

In short, the author's case that plagiarism should be abandoned as a concept is severely flawed.

Re: Is Plagiarism Wrong?

#20
Another annoying thing is that university plagiarism policies seem to have been largely written by humanities departments without thinking very hard about the needs of others.

Taken literally, my local university's plagiarism policy says it would be "academic misconduct" for a mathematics undergraduate to reproduce a known proof of a theorem in an examination without identifying a source. Unless things have changed greatly, this is not in fact expected of them.

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