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Re: Lockout-Tagout

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Too lazy to include a link, but I believe when work is done on electrified train rails, they attach a huge bar across the power rails to short them. If they're inadvertently powered, breakers elsewhere trip. (Or, worst case, the bar melts?)

Re: Lockout-Tagout

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Always verify the equipment you are working on is still physically LO-TO. I heard a story about one person who LO-TO a breaker on Friday, and Monday it had power when he went to work on it. The guy went to check the breaker, and the breaker was sitting on the ground with the lock still attached, and a new breaker in its place.

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After working in mining for a long while, where this kind of isolation procedure is standard and is taken very seriously (pretty much any breach of procedure is an instantly firable offense) it's terrifying coming back home and seeing people working on house wiring etc. with nothing more than a turned-off circuit breaker protecting them from electrocution or other injury. I've seen some trades start to pick up isolat…

How would you recommend people working on their own house implement anything more than turning off the circuit breaker? (I'm not doing anything electrical in general, but sometimes small fixes are necessary for home owners.)

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Ex oil and gas health, safety, and environmental advisor, turned software engineer. This was a critical turning point for safety in almost every industry. Here's an unfortunate, but memorable example of its real-world importance: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/12/bumble-bee-f...

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Side note: The most secure locks that Master makes (in regards to being pick resistant) are their LOTO padlocks, and they are usually about $10. Most of their other consumer locks are pretty easy to bypass with basic picks, but get marketed as being the "best" in security and cost a lot more.

In my experience this is not true. Some LO/TO locks even have plastic shackles and bodies (for the obvious electrical work). They’re not supposed to be pick proof and super secure—they’re a visual and physical reminder that the system is secured for worker safety. If a lock needs to be removed by someone other than the lock owner there is an OSHA process to remove out that involves cutting and discarding that particu…

I recommend watching LockPickingLawyer's video on the lock the parent comment is talking about: https://youtu.be/y4XGY0_cwcM. Master used a very pick resistant core for their LOTO locks but skimped out on the higher priced general-use models.

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post #9

After working in mining for a long while, where this kind of isolation procedure is standard and is taken very seriously (pretty much any breach of procedure is an instantly firable offense) it's terrifying coming back home and seeing people working on house wiring etc. with nothing more than a turned-off circuit breaker protecting them from electrocution or other injury. I've seen some trades start to pick up isolat…

How would you recommend people working on their own house implement anything more than turning off the circuit breaker? (I'm not doing anything electrical in general, but sometimes small fixes are necessary for home owners.)

I think OP is referring to a job site where people coming and going have access to the panel. If you're home alone or only have a small handful of people to keep in contact with then it's far less of an issue.

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post #9

After working in mining for a long while, where this kind of isolation procedure is standard and is taken very seriously (pretty much any breach of procedure is an instantly firable offense) it's terrifying coming back home and seeing people working on house wiring etc. with nothing more than a turned-off circuit breaker protecting them from electrocution or other injury. I've seen some trades start to pick up isolat…

How would you recommend people working on their own house implement anything more than turning off the circuit breaker? (I'm not doing anything electrical in general, but sometimes small fixes are necessary for home owners.)

I assume he means no lock was involved. Anyone who ventures in house electricity should have a circuit breaker locking device. Use it, lock it, and verify the circuit is dead each time before you work on it.

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Too lazy to include a link, but I believe when work is done on electrified train rails, they attach a huge bar across the power rails to short them. If they're inadvertently powered, breakers elsewhere trip. (Or, worst case, the bar melts?)

They also make LOTO derails to keep the train from running you down: https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cvphotos/cvphoto33914.jpg

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I'm a mech engineer working with heavy machinery, and isolation & lockout rules everything around me. It's probably the most important method of implementing safeworking at an operational level [1]. I was responsible for rolling it out at the first site at my company, implementing the process and documentation, and then seeding it across to other sites.

There's a concept called the hierarchy of hazard control [2]. At the top is eliminating the hazard - just removing it completely. It goes down through substitution, engineering controls, admin controls and then protective equipment is right at the bottom as the least effective method of protection. I&L aims to address the hazards right at the top by eliminating them, which is by far the most effective means of ensuring safety.

It does this by following a process: First, isolate the energy source. Secondly, lock that isolation out so it cannot be reactivated. Third, test for dead by showing that a) the isolation cannot be removed, and b) that there is no residual energy source remaining.

For example, an electrical isolation point might be a switch, which when thrown firstly breaks the circuit, but then also drains out any capacitors or other residual energy storage. The isolating person throws the switch, locks it out, tries to throw the switch back against the lock to show it's secure, then tests the system for dead by trying to power it up or by testing terminals for a voltage to prove that the energy sources have been drained. Once that's all done, they'll then complete the rest of the process and let others lock on to the system.

When someone locks on to an isolated system, there should be sufficient documentation and indication to show that the system is isolated and safe. It might mean that if a mechanical latch is rotated to the 'safe' position, there's a sign that rotates into view from the isolation point so the protected person who is locking on to the isolation can see it, whereas when it's not locked out they cannot. The protected person can in theory go and test the lockout to ensure it's in place, but usually (where I'm at) it's controlled by a dual sign-off process when the above can't be achieved. Then the protected person throws their lock on the isolation point, and that ensures that none of the isolations can be released until they remove their lock. Critically, those who place the isolation are generally a controlled set of people who are trained more highly than the protected person level who just has to know how to verify isolations are in place and then lock on. In general, the people working on the isolated system don't place their own isolations unless it's a simple system/process.

The whole process essentially provides a method of accounting for every person working on a system, and letting them be confident that it can't be powered up whilst working on it. It's not supposed to be secure locks. Mine, for example, have plastic casings, and ones designed for electrical work have a plastic bolt which I could probably easily remove with a bit of percussive persuasion. However, you also realistically generally can't stop a malicious person bypassing those safety measures, e.g. by wiring around a circuit-breaker or by undoing some bolts to remove a latch. So it's not intended to stop malicious parties, but it prevents the vastly more frequent case of were someone starts a machine when someone else is working in it.

It gets far more complex than all that too, for example covering how you pass secure isolations between shifts, or how you chain together layers of an isolated system to a single isolation point, but the above should hopefully provide some insight into why this stuff exists and why it takes the form it does.

[1]: I would consider the concept of 'safety in design' higher overall because that's about removing the hazard from existing at the design stage, but once it exists then I&L is generally the gold standard for dealing with it.

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_hazard_controls

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