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Spain's conviction of Catalan leaders threatens rights to freedom of expression

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Re: Spain's conviction of Catalan leaders threatens rights to freedom of expression

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Millions of people in Catalonia have very vocally, and sometimes, violently, expressed their opinion on independence without any restriction to their freedom. Some politicians have been convicted for more subtle charges, that include misuse of public funds, and not obeying previous court orders. The proindependence propaganda is very strong, and very focused on biasing international and english-spoken media; I'd ask…

Unless amnesty international has been bought by the Catalan separatist movement, we can probably go without "Beware: Propaganda" warnings on every nonagreeing opinion. There are two sides here, both made up of real people. Further, it's perfectly reasonable (much like in Scotland, and also in Chile where the demand to rewrite a dictator-era constitution draws parallels) that the independentistas might have some coher…

I just commented first on the assertion of the title and article, and then separately commented on the fact that this is a topic where people tend to have strong biases, and the poster looked more fishy than usual.

A caveat emptor, for me, is not priming negatively, in my view - and I explicitly called for taking both sides in consideration. So I guess we both agree.

I agree that it is a fascinating topic, but there have been several discussions here with plain wrong information being spread. Enriquto below already pointed out below, before you answered, funny changes in tone and content among different translations of the article. So yeah, reader beware.

Re: Spain's conviction of Catalan leaders threatens rights to freedom of expression

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More propaganda from the secessionists. You have been using institutional resources to spread your ideas for forty years, it is more than clear to everybody that your freedom of expression is not in jeopardy.

> it is more than clear to everybody that your freedom of expression is not in jeopardy. Tell that to the two catalan rappers accused of "hatred" on behalf of their (tame, by rap standards) lyrics that taunt spanish policemen. One is about to enter prison and the other one is on exile in Belgium.

I am sorry, but freedom of expression cannot exist without respect. Most of the Catalan political leaders voice their opinions with respect and they get heard everywhere.

You could argue that "hatred" is in jeopardy though, if you feel it's worth.

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