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ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Raising the price for tld would actually be a good thing, as it would make "domain investing" (domain hoarding) unprofitable. Let's say a .com costs $1,000 per year. For a legitimate business / organization, that is a trivial cost. For a domain hoarder, that makes keeping domains by and large unprofitable. Killing this parasitic activity is a good thing.

So keeping the domain for my primary email address that I’ve used for 15 years is “hoarding” now?

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

#12

Raising the price for tld would actually be a good thing, as it would make "domain investing" (domain hoarding) unprofitable. Let's say a .com costs $1,000 per year. For a legitimate business / organization, that is a trivial cost. For a domain hoarder, that makes keeping domains by and large unprofitable. Killing this parasitic activity is a good thing.

Except that a .com won't cost $1,000/year because the number of domains registered in it is so large (more than 130 million) that the uproar would be deafening and the registry has no incentive to slice off its nose just to go after squatters.

The .org domain is a tenth the size (about 14 million domains) so it's possible that a massive price hike could go through with no one able to stop it--as we're discussing here--but in doing so, you've thrown the baby out with the bath water and made a whole lot of historical domains with no commercial purpose (remember that .org has usually been where "non-business" groups and individuals register) prohibitively expensive in order to tackle a speculative problem.

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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This makes me think of ENS project (based on Ethereum) that is making a decentralized TLD. The registry is managed automatically by a smart contract. Pros? The conditions are equal to all users. Cons? It is a wild west style registry with no governance besides the little the automated algorithm offers. They're goal, if I understood correctly, is having .eth TLD managed by this decentralized registry. It can be an int…

So what's the price paid to reserve a domain? To whom is it paid?

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

#14

Raising the price for tld would actually be a good thing, as it would make "domain investing" (domain hoarding) unprofitable. Let's say a .com costs $1,000 per year. For a legitimate business / organization, that is a trivial cost. For a domain hoarder, that makes keeping domains by and large unprofitable. Killing this parasitic activity is a good thing.

So keeping the domain for my primary email address that I’ve used for 15 years is “hoarding” now?

Personal anecdote: If the e-mails I get every few months are to be believed, yes. I was lucky enough to be around on the Internet when domains were free so I have two .org domains (because to have a .com back then was a sign that you were one of those "dirty businesses" who wanted to "sully the InterNet"[0]) that are old enough to buy their own drinks in the States. Both have been used for e-mail and internal naming schemes for as long as I've had them; only one has a web site.

Every few months, I get e-mails asking if I'll sell one or the other for a small sum or donate the domain to the group that's asking. I used to reply and politely decline but the vitriol about my "pointlessly" keeping a domain that I'm "obviously not using" that inevitably comes back now has me shift-Delete e-mails like that. The times, they have changed.

0 - And getting a .net meant showing you were an actual Network Operator. Anybody else remember FTPing the template down from internic.net and sending it to hostmaster and waiting two months for the zone delegation?

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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The letter itself: https://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/ICA-Letter-to-ICANN-Bo... [PDF]

I have certainly taken the internet's infrastructure for granted at times. Can someone who follows this more closely say something about how this is likely to play out? The profit motive is helpful in some areas, but it can just wreck service-related fields.

The profit motive is helpful when it comes to providing incentives to innovate. There's no room for innovation here - it's purely a cash grab.

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Having a crazy thought here...

So we have things like Tor, which makes a PKI based .onion TLD. What's stopping Us (the people) from making our own TLDs?

It really just is a massive amount of groupthink, inertia, and acceptance of who dns is... right?

And with IP6 seems like it'd be a wild west on all sorts of TLDs.. But we have these monolithic orgs holding us all back. Hell, I know it's orthogonal to TLDs, but we even had the ANPR ip space sold partially to Amazon ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20475855 ). Bluntly stated, these orgs that manage underlying infra aren't trustworthy. And that goes without stating ICANN and all those woes.

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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post #6

This makes me think of ENS project (based on Ethereum) that is making a decentralized TLD. The registry is managed automatically by a smart contract. Pros? The conditions are equal to all users. Cons? It is a wild west style registry with no governance besides the little the automated algorithm offers. They're goal, if I understood correctly, is having .eth TLD managed by this decentralized registry. It can be an int…

Namecoin is a lot more popular and better known than ENS, fwiw.

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Raising the price for tld would actually be a good thing, as it would make "domain investing" (domain hoarding) unprofitable. Let's say a .com costs $1,000 per year. For a legitimate business / organization, that is a trivial cost. For a domain hoarder, that makes keeping domains by and large unprofitable. Killing this parasitic activity is a good thing.

Wow. That's around 1% of some of my clients take home simply to have a web site for their small business. This drives everybody to "Facebook pages" instead of their own website hosted on Wix, Wordpress or Squarespace.

Speaking of parasitic activity ...

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Having a crazy thought here... So we have things like Tor, which makes a PKI based .onion TLD. What's stopping Us (the people) from making our own TLDs? It really just is a massive amount of groupthink, inertia, and acceptance of who dns is... right? And with IP6 seems like it'd be a wild west on all sorts of TLDs.. But we have these monolithic orgs holding us all back. Hell, I know it's orthogonal to TLDs, but we ev…

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