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We Should Let a Lottery Decide Our Government

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Re: We Should Let a Lottery Decide Our Government

#11
If we had a more granular democratic say that was counted above and beyond a token X in a limited choice of option every 4-5 years with those options promises being no guarantee that what was on the tin is what you will get. Then maybe we would have more harmony and progress.

Imagine if you will that every voter had the ability to submit their idea's for other voters to support/debate and the top ones go onto being voted into policy. For some they could just vote upon the policey, if they choose, be their choise.

But that would take technology that was trusted. But then voting democratically is something that happens in so many countries, be great if there was an open/auditable standard of such a system that the people could get behind. Facebook and other social media is not that solution.

Today we have a token say periodically with those representatives being driven by media, that is in part driven equally by events and social media reaction to those events. It is messy, informal, rabble driven mess and that is what plays out in politics. Yes that needs to change, but it needs to change slowly to allow people to adjust or you will create just as much friction as you are trying to solve.

But for letting goverment being decided as a lottery, well - look at jury duty, that is how that works. You can find good examples of this as you can bad examples. So on average you could say that you would be no worse off. But the extreme's could potentially be larger. Let's face it, what are the odds of a lottery picking all KKK members as a government - they are not zero. That's all that needs to be said upon that idea.

Re: We Should Let a Lottery Decide Our Government

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post #6

I like this idea, but I think that the biggest risk would be in the legal assistants needed to navigate the sea of bureaucracy that legislative work usually needs. The lottery-selected citizens would come and go, but the assistant would probably remain in office for several “elections”. The selected citizens would probably be oblivious to what’s currently going on and the assistants would have incentives to influence…

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Re: We Should Let a Lottery Decide Our Government

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If we do this, we'd be lead by whatever accidental majority gets in. And they have no incentive to do what the people want.

The only saving grace would be that people have more of a sense of duty, and thus are less likely to abuse their power. But beyond that any unlucky draw could really screw over a country.

Re: We Should Let a Lottery Decide Our Government

#17

Random just means without reproducible information about inputs. There is nothing additionally equitable in deciding an outcome (more representation by favoured minority groups) and then calling the selection process “random.” Are airport screening selections random, or just opaque? What the author is in effect advocating is an opaque process whose outcome reflects some desirable criteria. Presumably if one disagrees…

What's opaque about anything in the article?

Re: We Should Let a Lottery Decide Our Government

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post #15

If we do this, we'd be lead by whatever accidental majority gets in. And they have no incentive to do what the people want. The only saving grace would be that people have more of a sense of duty, and thus are less likely to abuse their power. But beyond that any unlucky draw could really screw over a country.

What greater incentive do current voters have for picking the correct policy/representative? Either way, people with power are balancing their personal interest with justice / the public interest.

Re: We Should Let a Lottery Decide Our Government

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post #3

Be careful what you wish for. Do you really want the policy to reflect popular polling? Really really? Because what the public supports is a mixed bag. Maybe the population will support higher healthcare spending but also greatly restricted immigration policy ... or leaving a beneficial trade-block due to fears of Eastern European immigrants. Contrast this to Switzerland, where we've seen popular anti-immigration mea…

What you describe is not democracy, but a benevolent dictatorship.

>There is something to be said about policies put forward by sophisticated and educated elites.

Sounds more like a meritocracy, but then politics has taught us that many labels can fit depending upon your initial position and posture in much the same way that idea's in the middle can from the left appear right-wing and equally upon the right, appear left-wing. Hence labeling and focusing upon those labels whilst ignoring the content - solves nothing.

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