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Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Post by hughes »

brenden2 wrote: post #3
jerkstate wrote: post #2

I would assume, like in the USA, the person who hit the "summon" button would be liable for anything the car did.

What if the phone erroneously detected an action? AKA a pocket summon. Is the phone manufacturer liable in that case?

To get a sense of what would be required to "pocket summon" the car, you'd have to:

- pocket unlock phone

- pocket open tesla app

- pocket scroll down to Summon

- pocket click Summon

- pocket select "Smart Summon" from within the Summon screen

- pocket click the target button on the map

- pocket hold down the "come to me" button continuously

All this while being within 200ft of the car.

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Post by Someone1234 »

jerkstate wrote: post #2

I would assume, like in the USA, the person who hit the "summon" button would be liable for anything the car did.

But as the article said, that liability may not be covered by that person's vehicle insurance in British Columbia

> In the recent incident in Richmond, thankfully, there was no accident. Had an accident occurred, the vehicle owner's insurance may not have provided coverage.

I don't think anyone disagrees that the vehicle's driver is liable (regardless of physically being in the vehicle or using summon). The issue here seems to be if that is legal at all and if it is legal if insurance would cover that liability.

Plus what happens if a third party activates summon, for example a toddler? Is the toddler now legal liable for any accidents? Is the owner of the car? Is the child's parent/guardian (even if they weren't physically there)? Lots of interesting legal edge cases to explore.

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Post by jerkstate »

naringas wrote: post #4
jerkstate wrote: post #2

I would assume, like in the USA, the person who hit the "summon" button would be liable for anything the car did.

what if the summoned car gets hit by another car (in such a way the it is not the tesla's fault)? what if somebody throws themselves into the tesla?

i'm not a lawyer, but my guess for both questions, the driver's inability to provide an eyewitness account would probably heavily bias towards their fault. Kind of like if you were driving your car with your eyes closed.

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Post by RandallBrown »

naringas wrote: post #4
jerkstate wrote: post #2

I would assume, like in the USA, the person who hit the "summon" button would be liable for anything the car did.

what if the summoned car gets hit by another car (in such a way the it is not the tesla's fault)? what if somebody throws themselves into the tesla?

What if I'm driving a car and get hit by another car (in such a way that it is not my fault)?

I imagine it would be the same.

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Post by colechristensen »

“Driverless” is going to see a fast and final end when a small child gets killed by one of these robots and the owner, manufacturer, and every insurance company within throwing distance gets a billion dollar lawsuit judgement.

There is much hubris going around about AI and machine vision with business people and grad students taking lives into their hands and not seriously handling the responsibility.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

jerkstate wrote: post #14
naringas wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what if the summoned car gets hit by another car (in such a way the it is not the tesla's fault)? what if somebody throws themselves into the tesla?

i'm not a lawyer, but my guess for both questions, the driver's inability to provide an eyewitness account would probably heavily bias towards their fault. Kind of like if you were driving your car with your eyes closed.

I imagine that the footage from the car's built-in cameras could take the place of an eyewitness account
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