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We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by basq »

In my experience, Entheogens and money have a reluctant relationship. A 'psychedlic healing' business immediately sounds concerning to me. I can't find any convincing credentials beyond the author taking these substances at some point in her life. The author lambasts MBAs yet admits they themselves are a marketer. Not to mention, 'psychedelic industry' just sounds wrong.

What's the difference between psychedelics and anti depressants? Psychedelics have a religious component-- no, not the dogmatic, institutionalized sort you find in the likes of the roman catholic church; rather, the kind of spiritual experiences that help you come to terms with your existence, and your demise. More akin to a shaman than a pope.

While I think the world could use 'psychedelic churches' in a manner of speaking, I struggle to reconcile that with anything possesing a profit motive. lofty ideals alone will not lead to enlightenment.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by dr_dshiv »

saiya-jin wrote: post #10
dr_dshiv wrote: post #7

I loved the story. It spoke to me. I'm optimistic. Things work in cycles. I think I know what would happen next. First, the human touch component would move out of the commodified middle class model to high-cost gentrified models and to low/no cost homebrew models. Second, the middle class psychedelic exposure would result in hundreds of thousands more psychedelically adept humans, inspired to create meaningful, conn…

> we appear to live in a good world that offers us a beautiful future. That sounds quite entitled. Sure, if you are a well-off individual in one of western democracies, or one of very few riding the success wave elsewhere. For the rest, the world is changing for sure, some things get better, many things (environment, true freedom) are getting worse. The sentiment you describe was common for hippies too, world-reshapi…

I'm sorry if you feel life isn't working out. There are still many challenges. But the challenges we have are good and true -- most people have more freedom and opportunities than they think. The disadvantaged are often disadvantaged in optimism and confidence -- if we keep telling people that they are oppressed and the world is shit, they might believe it. It is helpful for young brown girls the world over to know that they've never had more opportunity, or more people rooting for their success.

Pessimism has consequences -- and reality is what we make of it.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by Nursie »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #7

I loved the story. It spoke to me. I'm optimistic. Things work in cycles. I think I know what would happen next. First, the human touch component would move out of the commodified middle class model to high-cost gentrified models and to low/no cost homebrew models. Second, the middle class psychedelic exposure would result in hundreds of thousands more psychedelically adept humans, inspired to create meaningful, conn…

How will society actually be different afterwards? Please be specific in your answer.

I've seen this sort of utopian thinking any number of times. If only everyone could just take a trip man, we would all live in love and harmony!

Except it's either just vague pipedreams and semi-mystical aspiration, or it's something more solid like communal living that in general disintegrates in the cold light of day.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by golergka »

> It doesn't appear that there is such a thing as a flashback from LSD.

That's false. Many people report constantly seeing low-key visuals after LSD, and I myself sometimes see the familiar geometric patterns when I meditate with my eyes open. Still consider LSD a very positive and life enhancing experience for me, but this seems very ill-informed and badly researched. Despite my positive experience, I would be very catious about advising LSD to others, especially to people who haven't gone through extensive therapy first.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by Nursie »

golergka wrote: post #14

> It doesn't appear that there is such a thing as a flashback from LSD. That's false. Many people report constantly seeing low-key visuals after LSD, and I myself sometimes see the familiar geometric patterns when I meditate with my eyes open. Still consider LSD a very positive and life enhancing experience for me, but this seems very ill-informed and badly researched. Despite my positive experience, I would be very…

> Many people report constantly seeing low-key visuals after LSD

That's not the classical 'flashback' though, which is generally described as suddenly being back in the middle of it in an overwhelming way. It's more like a low-level HPPD (which is something of an oxymoron as HPPD is defined by being high-level enough to interfere in life).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep...

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by Disruptive_Dave »

Nursie wrote: post #13
dr_dshiv wrote: post #7

I loved the story. It spoke to me. I'm optimistic. Things work in cycles. I think I know what would happen next. First, the human touch component would move out of the commodified middle class model to high-cost gentrified models and to low/no cost homebrew models. Second, the middle class psychedelic exposure would result in hundreds of thousands more psychedelically adept humans, inspired to create meaningful, conn…

How will society actually be different afterwards? Please be specific in your answer. I've seen this sort of utopian thinking any number of times. If only everyone could just take a trip man, we would all live in love and harmony! Except it's either just vague pipedreams and semi-mystical aspiration, or it's something more solid like communal living that in general disintegrates in the cold light of day.

My two cents - psychedelics can open your mind to a new way of processing information and thinking about your daily existence. Anecdotally, it's happened to me over the last 11+ years (not through psychedelics, but through other spiritual practices like meditation). The result is that I'm less angry, less judgmental, less likely to fly off the handle. Much better at processing information, removing clutter (bullshit), and disassociating from perceptions and feelings that used to define me.

In a very practical manner, this has made my interactions with everyone around me much..."better" doesn't feel like the right word but I'll use it here anyway. This is very simple - I'm "happier" (again, not the right word, but it'll do for now), I end up treating others better, which in turn has positive impacts on their lives and hopefully the lives of others that they engage with.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by eagsalazar2 »

This story is fiction? Man I did not get that until I googled for a few of the company and individual names and came up with nothing. What are the real analogous companies? Is this story actually illustrative of the recent history and state of this industry?

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by brbrodude »

Funny that in Brasília "pala" is a slang for broken and for psychotropic experiences, in the sense that if a gadget of yours start misbehaving or stops working than you can say it "deu pau", same as "deu pala", it's also used when you're experiencing some drug effect, for example laughing uncontrollably is the famous "pala de riso" or "broken of laughing", lol

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by eagsalazar2 »

eagsalazar2 wrote: post #17

This story is fiction? Man I did not get that until I googled for a few of the company and individual names and came up with nothing. What are the real analogous companies? Is this story actually illustrative of the recent history and state of this industry?

On http://aurynfund.org they say they are a fund for supporting a better variety of psychedelic medicine businesses (equitable,affordable, for all) but they list no portfolio companies or otherwise no references to any such companies. Weird.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by empath75 »

basq wrote: post #11

In my experience, Entheogens and money have a reluctant relationship. A 'psychedlic healing' business immediately sounds concerning to me. I can't find any convincing credentials beyond the author taking these substances at some point in her life. The author lambasts MBAs yet admits they themselves are a marketer. Not to mention, 'psychedelic industry' just sounds wrong. What's the difference between psychedelics and…

A psychedelic church would just end up being a tax-dodge for drug dealers probably.
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