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Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

They want their own Football team.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

> Or is Catalonia trying to break from both Spain and the EU?

Afaics, they’re not trying to break away from the EU (which wouldn’t make any sense economically), but that may be an unintended side effect. Spain would have to agree to opening talks between a new sovereign country and the eu. I just can’t see that happen.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

Wikipedia and this BBC article cover the background behind the movement and the potential relationship between an independent Catalonia and the EU (in particular, Spain as an EU member would need to agree to Catalonia entering the EU)

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence_movement

- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41474674

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Spain will enforce the law Spain will create that law

Which strikes me as odd, because I recall there is a European law that says that personal data of European citizens must remain within the EU.

No.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

IIRC they are one of the richer parts of Spain, which is why their move for independence has been likened to that of the late Lega Nord in Italy.

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The article isn't going deep enough in the details. > In summer 2018, Puigneró said Catalonia must create "a digital nation in the form of a republic" ahead of implementing the Catalan Republic in "physical form." By allowing Catalonian citizens or Catalonian administration to host data outside the EU ? How does that create a digital nation when your limbs are all over the world in an ethereal form ? I don't understa…

You're right that the article is lacking. I suspect the idea is to have digital infrastructure out of legal reach of the Spanish government - then that's your foundation for the physical changes.

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

>Or is Catalonia trying to break from both Spain and the EU?

I believe the plan is to enter the EU after breaking from Spain.

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The article isn't going deep enough in the details. > In summer 2018, Puigneró said Catalonia must create "a digital nation in the form of a republic" ahead of implementing the Catalan Republic in "physical form." By allowing Catalonian citizens or Catalonian administration to host data outside the EU ? How does that create a digital nation when your limbs are all over the world in an ethereal form ? I don't understa…

It's not about where the data are, but which organization is hosting them and for what purpose.

If one wanted to make a "digital freedonia" they could start a service called "freedonia citizens registry" for example, and have people register there, coordinate, talk, etc -- whether the server was in Japan or Argentina or California wouldn't matter much for those purposes...

The "host outside" part is so that the Spanish government can't just get access to it or storm the datacenter.

Otherwise the location is not important as to the purpose.

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

It would also enhance gridlock within various EU bodies and structures that require unanimous approval of all member states. (One of the issues they've had to manage with the several Brexit extensions is how to make sure the UK doesn't make it impossible for EU institutions to run by deciding to veto things.)

It's best for the EU to not have two member states with a major, fundamental dispute about sovereignty.

And of course, due to the aforementioned rules about unanimity, if Catalonia were to obtain independence their admission to the EU would be entirely dependent on Spain's acquiescence.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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The article isn't going deep enough in the details. > In summer 2018, Puigneró said Catalonia must create "a digital nation in the form of a republic" ahead of implementing the Catalan Republic in "physical form." By allowing Catalonian citizens or Catalonian administration to host data outside the EU ? How does that create a digital nation when your limbs are all over the world in an ethereal form ? I don't understa…

Presumably they d need a way to verifiably conduct elections online. If they could show that they were fair and inclusive, i think it s fair to say that the people have spoken and ancillary constitutional contracts don’t last forever
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