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Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Related: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/v781-free-uyghur-edition/

Site was relatively slow to load for me, so an archive.org mirror just in case: https://web.archive.org/web/20191030003924/https://notepad-p...

Edit: wow, downvotes appeared pretty quickly. Hopefully this whole post becomes training for detecting malicious behavior.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Good on the Notepad++ devs. They've had Tiananmen-themed release notes in the past as well. Edit: Remember when GitHub started allowing removing issues, rather than just closing them? People got all wound up saying that issues shouldn't be totally removed and there should be a public record of the maintainer closing it. This is a perfect example of what that feature enables. The maintainers can, if they want, just go…

From the notes: "People will tell me again to not mix politics with software/business. Doing so surely impacts the popularity of Notepad++: talking about politics is exactly what software and commercial companies generally try to avoid. The problem is, if we don’t deal with politics, politics will deal with us. We can choose to not act when people are being oppressed, but when it’s our turn to be oppressed, it will b…

its great when simple facts can obliterate the propaganda.

Politics isn't about humans, its about power.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Are they maybe irritated at the author because they won't be able to use N++ anymore in China due to censorship? Or is that a silly idea. Some of the issues seem to just be made of text that's purposefully made to be censored, including e.g. "winnie the pooh". Or maybe they're trying to show that they're "good citizens"...

Update: looks like 4chan has started their trolling...

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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I am finding it fascinating looking at the abusive accounts and their repositories and history of issues and pull requests over various other repositories. I wonder if some kind of pattern could be apparent? (Currently the few accounts I have visited are front end JS developers) Could some of them be active in your own communities?

So they should be ostracised for not thinking like the West wants them to think?

My issue with this is that some people think that all online supporters of the Chinese government are paid shills or just bots. It might surprise you to know that there are normal Chinese people, just like you and I, that simply like things are going in China. I see no reason to disrespect or ostracise them for their politics.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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It's astounding how well insidious daily propaganda works. I'm sure these guys mean well but they've been manipulated as much as the 'other side' has been. Edit: What news are reported and how they are reported in not random [1]. There has very clearly been a campaign against China and this shows that it is working. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model

Could you tell what "insidious daily propaganda" you have obeserved and how about sides are equally manipulated?

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Are they maybe irritated at the author because they won't be able to use N++ anymore in China due to censorship? Or is that a silly idea. Some of the issues seem to just be made of text that's purposefully made to be censored, including e.g. "winnie the pooh". Or maybe they're trying to show that they're "good citizens"... Update: looks like 4chan has started their trolling...

Reading the few comments that were (machine) translated into English, it seems they are angry that the dev dared to speak badly about their country.

This is just Chinese people being angry at someone calling out China for its concentration camps.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Good on the Notepad++ devs. They've had Tiananmen-themed release notes in the past as well. Edit: Remember when GitHub started allowing removing issues, rather than just closing them? People got all wound up saying that issues shouldn't be totally removed and there should be a public record of the maintainer closing it. This is a perfect example of what that feature enables. The maintainers can, if they want, just go…

From the notes: "People will tell me again to not mix politics with software/business. Doing so surely impacts the popularity of Notepad++: talking about politics is exactly what software and commercial companies generally try to avoid. The problem is, if we don’t deal with politics, politics will deal with us. We can choose to not act when people are being oppressed, but when it’s our turn to be oppressed, it will b…

I have wondered about the following question in roundabout ways, but this note has finally made the phrasing clear to me: if humanity finds a way to weed out the people who speak up for themselves and for others over a long-enough time scale, then what happens to humanity game-theoretically in that scale and on a longer scale? Please feel free to replace “humanity” with “a population” if it helps you think of an answer.

Edit: replaced “in terms of game theory” with “game-theoretically”.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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post #14

I am finding it fascinating looking at the abusive accounts and their repositories and history of issues and pull requests over various other repositories. I wonder if some kind of pattern could be apparent? (Currently the few accounts I have visited are front end JS developers) Could some of them be active in your own communities?

So they should be ostracised for not thinking like the West wants them to think? My issue with this is that some people think that all online supporters of the Chinese government are paid shills or just bots. It might surprise you to know that there are normal Chinese people, just like you and I, that simply like things are going in China. I see no reason to disrespect or ostracise them for their politics.

You mean posting an issue titled "fuck you" is "not thinking like us"?

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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post #14

I am finding it fascinating looking at the abusive accounts and their repositories and history of issues and pull requests over various other repositories. I wonder if some kind of pattern could be apparent? (Currently the few accounts I have visited are front end JS developers) Could some of them be active in your own communities?

So they should be ostracised for not thinking like the West wants them to think? My issue with this is that some people think that all online supporters of the Chinese government are paid shills or just bots. It might surprise you to know that there are normal Chinese people, just like you and I, that simply like things are going in China. I see no reason to disrespect or ostracise them for their politics.

I certainly think such nationalists should be ostracised in the west. Why exactly should we give the Chinese nationalists a pass?
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