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Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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Re: Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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I feel every chapter from this book can be pulled out and can be converted into a blogpost in its own right. This blogpost touches only on a chapter of the book. Nevertheless, nice, short read.

Are you talking about “zen and the art...”, or are you talking about a book by the author of the blog post?

The Pirsig book, I'm sure.

Re: Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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Everyone in our circle of nerds recommends this book and all three times I tried to read it I found it absolutely unbearable. It collects dust in a donation box that I haven’t mustered the strength to carry down to goodwill. Does anyone else share this sentiment? Did you ever crack the reason why so many love it? Obviously taste is subjective and we are not all supposed to like everything but I’ve always felt like th…

Same here. This problem of feeling left out may not be there if the person who recommends it also provides the reason he recommends it for.

Re: Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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Everyone in our circle of nerds recommends this book and all three times I tried to read it I found it absolutely unbearable. It collects dust in a donation box that I haven’t mustered the strength to carry down to goodwill. Does anyone else share this sentiment? Did you ever crack the reason why so many love it? Obviously taste is subjective and we are not all supposed to like everything but I’ve always felt like th…

I only liked it a little bit but was recommended by someone for whom it was their favorite book ever.

I only really took away one thing from the book (some deeper level of understanding of what is meant by "quality", in the sense of craftsmanship). I value that understanding and am happy I read the book, but I don't use that wisdom very often in my life.

Maybe you're reading it in a way which expects it to have a plot? I don't know, I think book recs are generally hard and people should only trust book recommendations from people who like books for the same reasons.

Re: Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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At the end of day, the customer does not care if, for example, you implemented their project as giant if-then conditional; as long as it works. It is the craftsman in us that makes us write quality code; it is something we ultimately do for ourselves.

At the end of the day, it's a lot less likely to work if you write a giant if condition. So yes, the customer won't care why it works or doesn't - but quality code has impacts they can feel.

Re: Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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In Pirsig's second book, Lila, he returns to examine what the romantic-classical synthesis looks like from another perspective: the moral perspective. He imagines the moral qualities of the world. What are the moral qualities of a motorcycle? How ought a motorcycle to behave? Pirsig proposes a thought experiement, the "chemistry teacher" experiment, where a chemistry teacher is left on a beach to rot. Through this ex…

Metaphysics considers the possibility of a universes with properties different than ours. If such things exist, then things in our universe behave as they are more than any ought.

Metaphysics is more philosophy than physics

Re: Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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Everyone in our circle of nerds recommends this book and all three times I tried to read it I found it absolutely unbearable. It collects dust in a donation box that I haven’t mustered the strength to carry down to goodwill. Does anyone else share this sentiment? Did you ever crack the reason why so many love it? Obviously taste is subjective and we are not all supposed to like everything but I’ve always felt like th…

I slogged through it. I appreciate the sentiments expressed in the book, but it was not a breezy read. I found it to be dry and long-winded.

Re: Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Metaphysics considers the possibility of a universes with properties different than ours. If such things exist, then things in our universe behave as they are more than any ought.

Metaphysics is more philosophy than physics

Yeah, I must be pretty confused to post a comment about metaphysics in reply to a comment discussing the morality of chemistry.

Re: Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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Everyone in our circle of nerds recommends this book and all three times I tried to read it I found it absolutely unbearable. It collects dust in a donation box that I haven’t mustered the strength to carry down to goodwill. Does anyone else share this sentiment? Did you ever crack the reason why so many love it? Obviously taste is subjective and we are not all supposed to like everything but I’ve always felt like th…

I wholeheartedly agree. "Pretentious" is the word I would use for it. "Insincere" is another.

Re: Zen and the Art of Software Maintenance

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Everyone in our circle of nerds recommends this book and all three times I tried to read it I found it absolutely unbearable. It collects dust in a donation box that I haven’t mustered the strength to carry down to goodwill. Does anyone else share this sentiment? Did you ever crack the reason why so many love it? Obviously taste is subjective and we are not all supposed to like everything but I’ve always felt like th…

I totally love and revere the book (ZATAOMM), and have read it multiple times.

Then again, I am super-detail-oriented, so that makes sense to me, because IMHO that’s the kind of audience for whom Pirsig wrote the book.

It _is_ a book about the nature of quality, after all, and Pirsig spent four years writing it, with the aid of PostIt notes all over the walls to organize it.

Not all people are detail-oriented enough to be capable of the laser-like focus needed to get all of the way through the book without losing interest. No offense intended, each to their own.

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