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Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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> The company will move more than 1,000 employees just 10 miles south of its current South of Market headquarters, which it plans to vacate. Click bait. They're moving ten miles south of their current office ...

SSF is much less accessible by public transit - going from a major Caltrain station to a minor/local station is a big step down.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

#12
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Articles misses that this is in response to SF's gross receipts tax. Payment processing is an ultra low margin business, no way they can compete while paying ~1% of revenues to the city.

Also, the tax oddly targets Stripe and Square.

People don't talk about this very much. But it seems extremely unfair that Stripe/Square pay way more tax than Saleforce in terms of ratio to their revenues. (I don't recall the numbers. Anyone?)

Jack Dorsey tried to raise this point multiple times. But people just kept screaming that he didn't care about homeless :S

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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> The company will move more than 1,000 employees just 10 miles south of its current South of Market headquarters, which it plans to vacate. Click bait. They're moving ten miles south of their current office ...

The travel times between these two locations can be 60+ minutes depending on mode and time. It is a Big Deal.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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post #5

Articles misses that this is in response to SF's gross receipts tax. Payment processing is an ultra low margin business, no way they can compete while paying ~1% of revenues to the city.

Also, the tax oddly targets Stripe and Square. People don't talk about this very much. But it seems extremely unfair that Stripe/Square pay way more tax than Saleforce in terms of ratio to their revenues. (I don't recall the numbers. Anyone?) Jack Dorsey tried to raise this point multiple times. But people just kept screaming that he didn't care about homeless :S

Neither does San Francisco. They just pretend they do.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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> The company will move more than 1,000 employees just 10 miles south of its current South of Market headquarters, which it plans to vacate. Click bait. They're moving ten miles south of their current office ...

I mean, it eliminates the entire East Bay from its pool of possible employees, so that sucks for anyone who lives out there. That’s a pretty big deal for their quality of life.

I'd agree with it being bad for the quality of life, but eliminates is a bit of an exaggeration. It makes it more difficult, to be sure, but there's a BART station in South San Francisco and a free shuttle that runs between there and Oyster Point. For anyone coming up from the Peninsula or the South Bay, though, this might be a commuting improvement.

Of course, the big difference is that Stripe's current office is at the edge of SOMA and Mission Bay, within pretty short distance of the Embarcadero and Financial District. Their new office will be...a business park. No offense to business parks -- Bishop Ranch in San Ramon is unexpectedly lovely -- but they're rarely known for their vibrant cafés, restaurants and nightlife.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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Kilroy Oyster Point is a pretty inaccessible area from San Francisco, you would need to take a limited train via Caltrain that's around 40 minutes to get there. I'm pretty sure this is definitely a blowback from the gross receipts tax and nothing more, even for commuters from the Peninsula would still have to get to the really strange south SF station which is also only accessible via limited express...or commute into one the worst traffic corridors in the Bay Area.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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Articles misses that this is in response to SF's gross receipts tax. Payment processing is an ultra low margin business, no way they can compete while paying ~1% of revenues to the city.

What are you talking about? It specifically talks about it and even provides 2 quotes with contradicting points of view:

“Alex Tourk, spokesman for sf.citi, a tech business group, said San Francisco needs to consider changes to its business taxes. The city is currently reviewing the tax system, which brings in a total of $1 billion annually. But those taxes could climb higher under the revised system.

“Unfortunately, Stripe choosing to leave town is not an anomaly,” he said. “The membership of sf.citi would prefer a more holistic strategy per the mayor’s suggestion that we work together as a collective business community to fix the gross receipts tax once and for all and establish a fair and equitable tax system that we can all rely on.”

Chris Thornberg, founder of Beacon Economics, said businesses leaving San Francisco has more to do with real estate costs and high wages than taxes.

“Taxes don’t have a lot of impact on business decisions. It’s something that has been exaggerated for years,” Thornberg said. Stripe is staying in the Bay Area, so its departure isn’t a blow to the region, he said.”

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