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Sorry–organic farming is worse for climate change

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Re: Sorry–organic farming is worse for climate change

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> Organic farming absolutely uses pesticides and herbicides. In fact they often must use more of it and at greater frequency than conventional farming methods because the organic variants are inferior. Got a citation for that? I've always been under the impression that organic farming by definition doesn't use pesticides and herbicides, and that's why they're more expensive. The yields are lower because of some crops…

Information on herbicide/pesticide use in organic farming is abundant. A quick search ( https://duckduckgo.com/?q=organic+farming ) will yield plenty to begin research. Due diligence is necessary given the mass of mis/dis-information, turning fact-finding into a much more difficult process for the laymen (like me) than it should be, but seek many sources, develop a consensus. HN user "widowlark" posted ( https://news…

This is obviously a bit facetious but would you consider a duck a pesticide? Small scale artisan farmers are always looking for better solutions and often find them. A distinction needs to be made between a true organic small producer and a conventional farmer chasing an organic label and those extra dollars per pound.

Re: Sorry–organic farming is worse for climate change

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Organic farming absolutely uses pesticides and herbicides. In fact they often must use more of it and at greater frequency than conventional farming methods because the organic variants are inferior. Got a citation for that? I've always been under the impression that organic farming by definition doesn't use pesticides and herbicides, and that's why they're more expensive. The yields are lower because of some crops…

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogs...

Thank you for this.

Come to think of it, I do seem to recall at one point reading about organic farming using "natural" pesticides and ending up needing to use more of them because they're less effective.

Re: Sorry–organic farming is worse for climate change

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From the article, it sounds like less-intensive farming techniques are needed to help carbon storage, of which organic farming can help. It follows that the other step needed to shore this up is to have less food waste, more local food, and most likely eat less meat per-capita. I'm not sure why the end interpretation of the study was "this is entirely useless" instead of "this is one step". It's a little like saying…

I wonder where the authors get their funding from. My Dad sent me an article written by a friend of his that said that global warming is a non issue, etc. I did some research on my Dad’s friend and it turned out that the organization he helped start gets their funding from the oil industry, information that was not easy to find. Authors of papers and articles that purport to talk about scientific results should have…

This loops back into the ongoing "why academic publishing is terrible" conversation. And why we're probably heading towards scientists needing to run for office again, like what happened after the Great Depression.

Re: Sorry–organic farming is worse for climate change

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Sorry, this article is propaganda for BigAg and BigChem.

They looked at one meta study and one study that was ESTIMATING the effectiveness of organic based on land usage.

Organic farming is needed to increase top soil depth which results in increased carbon sequestration and water absorption.

Organic farming isn't specific enough. It's permanent agriculture which is needed, usually in the form of organic agriculture.

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