won't big players like FB benefit from this? It seems more likely that people would port data from smaller networks to bigger ones than the other way around.
U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take their data with them
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#12Who asked for this, exactly? I know plenty of users who would like to delete their data--I can't think of too many that want to port it over somewhere else. Is the idea that this would fuel competition by allowing people to migrate their history over to decentralized/federated alternatives?
I have to be on mainstream social networks to interact with people I know who are. That's the fundamental problem with these networks. "Under the bill the companies would be required to maintain an interface to facilitate interoperability . Or users would be allowed to choose another company to manage a user’s account settings, content, and online interactions, the statement said." Think of this requirement less like…
I understand the possible use-case. My skepticism (or cynicism, maybe) comes from the fact that the CBP under this same government has taken to forcing people to provide their social media history when entering the country. So there might be a less than altruistic reason that the government would like to ensure people's social media history lingers forever, rather than being deleted when the user tires of Facebook.
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#13After watching Mark Zuckerberg testifying on Capitol hill I think it's obvious Facebook and Alphabet are leading the show... A very interesting case is Alexander Nix speech against UK comittee, recommend.
Can you unpack this statement?
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#14Right to federate is the new right to repair.
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#15I believe we are helping to build part of that future in my current startup. People should own their own data and have a right to use it for their own benefit.
(Startup: argyle.io)
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have to be on mainstream social networks to interact with people I know who are. That's the fundamental problem with these networks. "Under the bill the companies would be required to maintain an interface to facilitate interoperability . Or users would be allowed to choose another company to manage a user’s account settings, content, and online interactions, the statement said." Think of this requirement less like…
I understand the possible use-case. My skepticism (or cynicism, maybe) comes from the fact that the CBP under this same government has taken to forcing people to provide their social media history when entering the country. So there might be a less than altruistic reason that the government would like to ensure people's social media history lingers forever, rather than being deleted when the user tires of Facebook.
Yeah, I feel this pain. This is kinda where we are on a lot of these issues, right?
Like Net Neutrality? Ok, just make a law that all bits must be treated the same by pipe providers. Boom, you're done. But no, instead what's suggested is that the FTC start managing this stuff under Title 2. Right after that, you can bet we'll start hearing calls for a return of the Fairness Doctrine.
Want users to own their data? Great. Write a law that says that users have total control over their data, where it lives and where it goes. Furthermore they can delete or access it at any time. Also boom. It's a simple concept. But no, we're going to split the baby yet again and talk about exporting data. Next up an argument on CBP.
We seem incapable of actually fixing tech matters, instead trying to chop off some small part where we can do stuff that sounds good but has possibly severe unanticipated side-effects down the road. I don't know why that is, but I know that it makes trying to figure out which laws or policies to support quite difficult. Maybe that was the intention all along?
Note: all laws have side effects, but optimally you should set things up that the side effects are shouldered by the people involved in the activity, not the voters. You're not fixing a problem if all you're doing is setting up the next argument we're going to have. That sounds more like a recipe for endless conflict.
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#17Who asked for this, exactly? I know plenty of users who would like to delete their data--I can't think of too many that want to port it over somewhere else. Is the idea that this would fuel competition by allowing people to migrate their history over to decentralized/federated alternatives?
>delete their data
Which is arguably, at least in part, actually in opposition to this. To the degree that data can be better exported and spread around, it's more likely to be persisted than if it's locked up in a single company's system.
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#18Isn't it the whole idea behind https://solid.inrupt.com/ ?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand the possible use-case. My skepticism (or cynicism, maybe) comes from the fact that the CBP under this same government has taken to forcing people to provide their social media history when entering the country. So there might be a less than altruistic reason that the government would like to ensure people's social media history lingers forever, rather than being deleted when the user tires of Facebook.
Yeah, I feel this pain. This is kinda where we are on a lot of these issues, right? Like Net Neutrality? Ok, just make a law that all bits must be treated the same by pipe providers. Boom, you're done. But no, instead what's suggested is that the FTC start managing this stuff under Title 2. Right after that, you can bet we'll start hearing calls for a return of the Fairness Doctrine. Want users to own their data? Gre…
Or people don't really agree on what "fixing" means.
To some of what you talk about, there is by no means universal agreement on whether you ought to be able to purge your content from the Internet.
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#20Good move. It’s data we create, we should own it.