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Why Switzerland? (2007)

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Re: Why Switzerland? (2007)

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Post by CaptainZapp »

codesushi42 wrote: post #9
Foobar8568 wrote: post #4

Can we stop with the Switzerland IT hype? Switching jobs take months before even getting interviews, bunch of useless people in all layers of hierarchy only good to believe the jumbo marketing crap from consultancy 100 times worse than Accenture. And don't get me started on xenophobia or the place of woman in society.

And don't get me started on xenophobia or the place of woman in society. Exactly. Moving to Switzerland is only a reasonable option if you (and your family) are white.

Moving to Switzerland is only a reasonable option if you (and your family) are white.

That's a silly statement.

While there certainly is racism and xenophobia in Switzerland it's an very globally oriented society.

Have a look at the Swiss football team, or the CEO of Credit Swiss, who happens to be black.

Re: Why Switzerland? (2007)

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Post by codesushi42 »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #11
codesushi42 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And don't get me started on xenophobia or the place of woman in society. Exactly. Moving to Switzerland is only a reasonable option if you (and your family) are white.

Moving to Switzerland is only a reasonable option if you (and your family) are white. That's a silly statement. While there certainly is racism and xenophobia in Switzerland it's an very globally oriented society. Have a look at the Swiss football team, or the CEO of Credit Swiss, who happens to be black.

Having spent significant time in Switzerland, I can attest that no, it is not.

Re: Why Switzerland? (2007)

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Post by CHsurfer »

codesushi42 wrote: post #9
Foobar8568 wrote: post #4

Can we stop with the Switzerland IT hype? Switching jobs take months before even getting interviews, bunch of useless people in all layers of hierarchy only good to believe the jumbo marketing crap from consultancy 100 times worse than Accenture. And don't get me started on xenophobia or the place of woman in society.

And don't get me started on xenophobia or the place of woman in society. Exactly. Moving to Switzerland is only a reasonable option if you (and your family) are white.

Switzerland is definitely not perfect in this respect but I see a lot of evidence that it’s a good option even if you are not a white mail, which I am (for context). First, my wife is an Iranian Born French citizen and she is now VP of Technology at a 500 person energy company. She wouldn’t leave Switzerland for anything. Also, I work with many Indian colleagues who are very happy to be here.

I’m not saying their lives are perfect and they don’t suffer from racism and prejudice but on the whole Switzerland is a very much a net positive for them.

Re: Why Switzerland? (2007)

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Post by snagglegaggle »

codesushi42 wrote: post #9
Foobar8568 wrote: post #4

Can we stop with the Switzerland IT hype? Switching jobs take months before even getting interviews, bunch of useless people in all layers of hierarchy only good to believe the jumbo marketing crap from consultancy 100 times worse than Accenture. And don't get me started on xenophobia or the place of woman in society.

And don't get me started on xenophobia or the place of woman in society. Exactly. Moving to Switzerland is only a reasonable option if you (and your family) are white.

Being white isn't a ticket to Switzerland, it's a lot harder than that.

Re: Why Switzerland? (2007)

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Post by snagglegaggle »

keyle wrote: post #6
Bootwizard wrote: post #2

He's living my dream. I feel trapped here in the US.

Make a move! or get on with the program. Whining about it online won't get you there. I swapped side of the world at 21 and never looked back.

It's really hard to move, especially without a degree. Your residency is tied to your job and you often need something lined up before you go. Even if you have a degree and can obtain residency showing up and expecting employment isn't realistic.

For context I have no degree and I almost made it with a German company. Someone accused me of being racist and I was fired within the hour. Killed any idea that Europeans are actually more accepting or tolerant.

Re: Why Switzerland? (2007)

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Post by guessmyname »

CHsurfer wrote: post #13
codesushi42 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And don't get me started on xenophobia or the place of woman in society. Exactly. Moving to Switzerland is only a reasonable option if you (and your family) are white.

Switzerland is definitely not perfect in this respect but I see a lot of evidence that it’s a good option even if you are not a white mail, which I am (for context). First, my wife is an Iranian Born French citizen and she is now VP of Technology at a 500 person energy company. She wouldn’t leave Switzerland for anything. Also, I work with many Indian colleagues who are very happy to be here. I’m not saying their liv…

> […] even if you are not a white mail, which I am (for context)

You are… what?

Re: Why Switzerland? (2007)

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Post by adev_ »

Foobar8568 wrote: post #4

Can we stop with the Switzerland IT hype? Switching jobs take months before even getting interviews, bunch of useless people in all layers of hierarchy only good to believe the jumbo marketing crap from consultancy 100 times worse than Accenture. And don't get me started on xenophobia or the place of woman in society.

> And don't get me started on xenophobia

I work(ed) in Switzerland for 7 years with Indian, Italian, Egyptian, Pakistani, American, Chinese, Taiwanese, Brazilian, Spanish, French, German, Australian, Austrian, and many other I forgot.

Most of them still live here (lemanic area, not Zurich). There is xenophobia, like everywhere on the planet, but nothing impossible to overcome apparently.

From my (European) perception, The Swiss are not highly xenophobic, they are however quite nationalist and very regionalist for European standard.

> the place of woman in society.

This aspect variate a lot depending of where you are in Switzerland. The Swiss-German side is more "conservative" on the place of woman is society yes.

Re: Why Switzerland? (2007)

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Post by s3nnyy »

The difference to the rest of Europe became even bigger over the last 12 years.

I am a self employed tech recruiter here in Zurich and I can say that more and more people want to come here.

Taxes are low, salaries high and things costs less than one thinks. I run https://coderfit.com and connect programmers with jobs in Zurich for a living. (I programmed for money before, so I know the market from many sites.) If, you want to move here find my email in my HN handle.

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