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Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City
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#12Its amazing what unfettered socialism can lead to.
Great point. Not sure about unfettered though, it's just socialism period. Everything is controlled by the government and not the market. Planned economy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_economy).
Unfortunately some see socialism as a candy, a glorious oasis we should all paddle towards without realization that it's a giant trap. A pure hell with great marketing for ordinary people.
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#13I find this city fascinating for some reason. It's something about the fact that it's so harsh, but humans are still able to live there. Here's a YouTube video of it that makes it look almost artistic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks9E9XQp_2k
Make no mistake - humans are only able to live there while burning copious amounts of hydrocarbons to stay warm and/or generate electricity. And they don't live particularly well.
Also at the massive cost to the surrounding environment.
I guess Inuits live in the extreme cold as well, but their entire world population is smaller than the city of Norilsk.
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#14I find this city fascinating for some reason. It's something about the fact that it's so harsh, but humans are still able to live there. Here's a YouTube video of it that makes it look almost artistic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks9E9XQp_2k
I also really love this video of Norilsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUqDpJt7VGY&
I think Norilsk is undeniably artistic, in both the idea of the city, and in its unique aesthetics.
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#15Wow. I find these places amazing. I don't understand how they can "work". Like in... why do people stay?! Russia's a huge country and with free movement you'd imagine such places would get depopulated quickly...
"free movement" - false. Why did people stay in Detroit when it was down? Moving is not as easy as it seems. Only very few have courage to leave their nest. But that's a whole different story. In Russia, besides the fact that movement is not "free" because of propiska ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propiska_in_the_Soviet_Union ), general conservative propaganda highly encourages pin-pointed "nationalism". You leave…
Well, "propiska" in Russia is a dying institution, actually no one is really interested where your "propiska" is. In recent past there were some troubles finding job without "propiska" in region, but it passed. We have fees for people, who do live outside of their "propiska" region and do not tell government where they live, but these fees applied to people extremely rarely.
About "traitor" thing - well, usually everybody understand that there are better places to live than small city in Siberia. People move very often. For example, after school 20% of my classmates moved outside of Siberia and almost everybody left my small city and moved to a bigger one. I were born in Siberia and moved to Saint-Petersburg a year ago -- no one called me a traitor. They even come as guests, stay in my apartment and sometimes think about moving too.
I've met a couple of people from Norilsk - they are glad they moved out, but proud of the place of their origin. Which I consider pretty healthy position.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very good compensation, you can retire earlier, etc. Talking about living in other places - you can leave in Siberia believe Arctic circle and still have -40C for a long time, etc.
"Very good compensation" - haha, unfortunately not true. Well... they get "milk coupons" though (to literally get a couple liters of free milk per month), as a "sorry" for the exposure to the dangerous environments and toxins at work. It's more a legacy inherited from USSR where it was largely believed that milk reduces the danger of hard work envs, removes toxins: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%…
Salaries in Norilsk are really 2-3 times more high than in Krasnoyarsk, for example. But same applies to prices too, unfortunately.
And that is true about milk thing in USSR, people actually still believe that milk removes toxins.
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#17Wow. I find these places amazing. I don't understand how they can "work". Like in... why do people stay?! Russia's a huge country and with free movement you'd imagine such places would get depopulated quickly...
In the gallery it says just outside Norilsk is the biggest metallurgical mine in the world.
So it's an industrial city.
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#18Wow. I find these places amazing. I don't understand how they can "work". Like in... why do people stay?! Russia's a huge country and with free movement you'd imagine such places would get depopulated quickly...
"free movement" - false. Why did people stay in Detroit when it was down? Moving is not as easy as it seems. Only very few have courage to leave their nest. But that's a whole different story. In Russia, besides the fact that movement is not "free" because of propiska ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propiska_in_the_Soviet_Union ), general conservative propaganda highly encourages pin-pointed "nationalism". You leave…
„Propiska“ was a Soviet thing and it no longer exists in the same form - in no way it restricts free movement. It is called now a registration on a place of residence and it is a thing that exists in many countries. There’s no difference between the Russian registration and German Anmeldung - they restrict your life in a similar way (though in Russia you have much more time to register).
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#19Wow. I find these places amazing. I don't understand how they can "work". Like in... why do people stay?! Russia's a huge country and with free movement you'd imagine such places would get depopulated quickly...
"free movement" - false. Why did people stay in Detroit when it was down? Moving is not as easy as it seems. Only very few have courage to leave their nest. But that's a whole different story. In Russia, besides the fact that movement is not "free" because of propiska ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propiska_in_the_Soviet_Union ), general conservative propaganda highly encourages pin-pointed "nationalism". You leave…
Strange fantasy
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Very good compensation" - haha, unfortunately not true. Well... they get "milk coupons" though (to literally get a couple liters of free milk per month), as a "sorry" for the exposure to the dangerous environments and toxins at work. It's more a legacy inherited from USSR where it was largely believed that milk reduces the danger of hard work envs, removes toxins: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%…
Salaries in Norilsk are really 2-3 times more high than in Krasnoyarsk, for example. But same applies to prices too, unfortunately. And that is true about milk thing in USSR, people actually still believe that milk removes toxins.
In Minecraft milk removes potion and poison effects