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Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by clarkey252 » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:43 AM UTC

hardlianotion wrote: post #9

That is a great idea. Understanding government expenditure on some level should be a fundamental part of a citizen's participation. I don't yet fully understand how to read it. It's not really clear to me what the difference in income and expenditure is - the impression the diagram gives me is other that income is balanced by expenditure, or that there is a budget surplus maybe. I think I recall that there is a budge…

There is a tiny red deficit "income" at the top just to the left of the middle of about £55.8bn

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by tomekn » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:44 AM UTC

frobozz wrote: post #5

There, at the top of "Other Expenditures", Slightly smaller than running the Office of the Secretary of State for Wales. That is what's governing the entire political agenda right now. That's the amount of money stuck on the side of a bus with the suggestion that we could spend it on the NHS instead

The missing piece of the puzzle seems to be the upcoming EU legislation surrounding tax declarations of offshore accounts.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/18/european-co...

It's not a matter of national expenditure, but that of personal expenditure of those pulling the strings. It's just being framed that way by the "will of the people"/"take back control" brigade, and people are dumb enough to listen.

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by hendry » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:44 AM UTC

I saw a nice gov revenue/expenditure of Singapore here: https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/cdtf4i/singapore...

Wish this UK one was in millions, not billions.

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by hardlianotion » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:45 AM UTC

hardlianotion wrote: post #9

That is a great idea. Understanding government expenditure on some level should be a fundamental part of a citizen's participation. I don't yet fully understand how to read it. It's not really clear to me what the difference in income and expenditure is - the impression the diagram gives me is other that income is balanced by expenditure, or that there is a budget surplus maybe. I think I recall that there is a budge…

OK - I see a little more now. The red influx is some measure of deficit spending.

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by hardlianotion » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:45 AM UTC

clarkey252 wrote: post #11

hardlianotion wrote: post #9

That is a great idea. Understanding government expenditure on some level should be a fundamental part of a citizen's participation. I don't yet fully understand how to read it. It's not really clear to me what the difference in income and expenditure is - the impression the diagram gives me is other that income is balanced by expenditure, or that there is a budget surplus maybe. I think I recall that there is a budge…

There is a tiny red deficit "income" at the top just to the left of the middle of about £55.8bn

Thanks - that's going on my bookmarked links.

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by arethuza » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:46 AM UTC

Chris2048 wrote: post #10

frobozz wrote: post #5

There, at the top of "Other Expenditures", Slightly smaller than running the Office of the Secretary of State for Wales. That is what's governing the entire political agenda right now. That's the amount of money stuck on the side of a bus with the suggestion that we could spend it on the NHS instead

"the Office of the Secretary of State for Wales" takes over 12 billion to run?

I think that's just the slightly unusual name for what replaced the "Welsh Office":

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/office-of-the-se...

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by NeedMoreTea » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:47 AM UTC

Chris2048 wrote: post #10

frobozz wrote: post #5

There, at the top of "Other Expenditures", Slightly smaller than running the Office of the Secretary of State for Wales. That is what's governing the entire political agenda right now. That's the amount of money stuck on the side of a bus with the suggestion that we could spend it on the NHS instead

"the Office of the Secretary of State for Wales" takes over 12 billion to run?

Seems low. That office was formerly known as the Welsh Office. I'm not sure how it separates from or overlaps with the Welsh Assembly, who don't have tax raising powers like Scotland. Presumably spends on a number of Welsh schemes, infrastructure, projects, roads etc.

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by mytailorisrich » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:47 AM UTC

hardlianotion wrote: post #9

That is a great idea. Understanding government expenditure on some level should be a fundamental part of a citizen's participation. I don't yet fully understand how to read it. It's not really clear to me what the difference in income and expenditure is - the impression the diagram gives me is other that income is balanced by expenditure, or that there is a budget surplus maybe. I think I recall that there is a budge…

> the impression the diagram gives me is other that income is balanced by expenditure

As the government runs a deficit, part of the income comes from loans. This is listed as 'deficit' in this visualisation.

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by Chris2048 » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:48 AM UTC

arethuza wrote: post #16

Chris2048 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the Office of the Secretary of State for Wales" takes over 12 billion to run?

I think that's just the slightly unusual name for what replaced the "Welsh Office": https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/office-of-the-se...

I can see "welsh-assembly-government-2015" but that feeds into public services (NHS ect) too - the wales office is around 4 mil

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by hardlianotion » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:48 AM UTC

mytailorisrich wrote: post #18

hardlianotion wrote: post #9

That is a great idea. Understanding government expenditure on some level should be a fundamental part of a citizen's participation. I don't yet fully understand how to read it. It's not really clear to me what the difference in income and expenditure is - the impression the diagram gives me is other that income is balanced by expenditure, or that there is a budget surplus maybe. I think I recall that there is a budge…

> the impression the diagram gives me is other that income is balanced by expenditure As the government runs a deficit, part of the income comes from loans. This is listed as 'deficit' in this visualisation.

Thanks - makes more sense than what I just wrote down.