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Leaked Zuckerberg audio: 'You go to the mat and you fight'

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Re: Leaked Zuckerberg audio: 'You go to the mat and you fight'

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Post by dmurray »

roland00 wrote: post #10
disillusioned wrote: post #4

>>>There's no bombshell revelation in this leak Oh boy is that an understatement. Of course Zuck's strategy if the government attempts to break up Facebook for antitrust or whatever else they can spin together is to fight it legally. Of course his preference is going to be for a presidential candidate who hasn't made an overt commitment to force that break up. There's really no there, there.

The bigger thing is a mismatch between the employees of facebook and the management. These weekly meetings happen all the time, what is different is now the employees are recording them and releasing them to the press. This means at least one employee no longer thinks the interest of upper management and the workers align and she or he spent forethought in order to record the conversation and then spent time afterwar…

The big news is that one of Facebook's 40,000 employees is disgruntled, idealistic or just likes to feel important?

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Post by apatters »

subroutine wrote: post #7

Is there any concern about the implications of breaking up big tech in an attempt to make US markets more competitive, but in so doing allow a foreign competitor to swoop in and become the de facto choice in some market? I imagine the US benefits substantially from the likes of Google and fb dominating competitors in foreign markets.

This concern does get expressed from time to time, but I think it is sacrificing the long-term for the short-term. Sure, you can prop up bad businesses through government intervention in the short term, and we do it all the time.

But in the long term, they're still bad businesses, and you end up with entire industries that are dysfunctional. Eventually, someone else eats your lunch.

In fact you can argue that's happening now, as the article hints: Zuck was able to assimilate Whatsapp and IG into his bloated empire, but he can't buy TikTok and its 500M users because it's from China. Maybe if FB has been forced to actually compete with its biggest American competitors instead of getting the greenlight from regulators to just buy them, it would be in a better position now.

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Post by [deleted] »

roland00 wrote: post #10
disillusioned wrote: post #4

>>>There's no bombshell revelation in this leak Oh boy is that an understatement. Of course Zuck's strategy if the government attempts to break up Facebook for antitrust or whatever else they can spin together is to fight it legally. Of course his preference is going to be for a presidential candidate who hasn't made an overt commitment to force that break up. There's really no there, there.

The bigger thing is a mismatch between the employees of facebook and the management. These weekly meetings happen all the time, what is different is now the employees are recording them and releasing them to the press. This means at least one employee no longer thinks the interest of upper management and the workers align and she or he spent forethought in order to record the conversation and then spent time afterwar…

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Post by Iv »

disillusioned wrote: post #4

>>>There's no bombshell revelation in this leak Oh boy is that an understatement. Of course Zuck's strategy if the government attempts to break up Facebook for antitrust or whatever else they can spin together is to fight it legally. Of course his preference is going to be for a presidential candidate who hasn't made an overt commitment to force that break up. There's really no there, there.

Yeah, when I first saw the headlines yesterday, I plunged, happy to have more fodder against a guy as consider really nefarious to the whole internet ecosystem.

But the actual quotes are underwhelming. "Warren wants to break our company. Well, we will go to the courts if she tries." is not exactly a shocking reaction. You don't exactly expect him to agree with Warren's position there.

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Post by mattzzz »

patd wrote: post #3

I don't think there anything in there that is unexpected. The most interesting part is probably how Facebook will compete with TikTok in the coming months and years.

fb can easily take down TikTok with the help of politicians as part of the US-China trade war drama.

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Post by rr-geil-j »

rollingdeep wrote: post #2

BBC coverage on this is a bit minimal and lazy. Posted already here with more coverage on Zuckerberg's comments about suing the government and election interference. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21133244

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21133244

It's already deleted.

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Post by dijit »

Iv wrote: post #14
disillusioned wrote: post #4

>>>There's no bombshell revelation in this leak Oh boy is that an understatement. Of course Zuck's strategy if the government attempts to break up Facebook for antitrust or whatever else they can spin together is to fight it legally. Of course his preference is going to be for a presidential candidate who hasn't made an overt commitment to force that break up. There's really no there, there.

Yeah, when I first saw the headlines yesterday, I plunged, happy to have more fodder against a guy as consider really nefarious to the whole internet ecosystem. But the actual quotes are underwhelming. "Warren wants to break our company. Well, we will go to the courts if she tries." is not exactly a shocking reaction. You don't exactly expect him to agree with Warren's position there.

I agree completely. If you ignore the subttext that Facebook appears somewhat responsible for sniping elections/referendums with targeted (mis)information campaigns entirely; then this really shouldn’t shock anyone.

But I guess the issue is that the subtext is there.

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Post by sekasi »

I have to say, as someone who's been somewhat critical of Facebook's dealings for the past years, I read the entire thing and I can't pick up on anything that doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to say to your team.

Is anyone able to educate me on why there seem to be some air of hawks swooping on Zuckerberg because of this?

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Post by nradov »

rollingdeep wrote: post #9
disillusioned wrote: post #4

>>>There's no bombshell revelation in this leak Oh boy is that an understatement. Of course Zuck's strategy if the government attempts to break up Facebook for antitrust or whatever else they can spin together is to fight it legally. Of course his preference is going to be for a presidential candidate who hasn't made an overt commitment to force that break up. There's really no there, there.

When you are FB or Google or Amazon or you know... Microsoft... there are issues with how the government could ever effectively regulate such an industry with outsized funds (much larger than the fixed regulatory budgets) and power (influencing people and elections). The legal process was never designed to work effectively or efficiently at such a level. The legal process becomes such a war of attrition that you can…

Microsoft was forced to pay a large fine and significantly change their business practices. The goal was never to destroy Microsoft, and even if the government could have somehow done so that wouldn't have benefited consumers.
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