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Re: CentOS Stream

#11

Post by jeremyjh » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 4:58 PM UTC

So if we strip all the market speak out we are just getting a rolling release distribution like Debian testing?

Re: CentOS Stream

#12

Post by zokier » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

jeremyjh wrote: post #11

So if we strip all the market speak out we are just getting a rolling release distribution like Debian testing?

As far as I can tell it is more rolling than Debian testing because it wouldn't need to be occasionally frozen etc for releases

Re: CentOS Stream

#13

Post by orpheline » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:23 PM UTC

znpy wrote: post #7

LaSombra wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS8.1905

thanks :) I was expecting to see it on the homepage, frankly...

Yeah - weird they haven't updated https://centos.org/ with the release announcement yet...

Re: CentOS Stream

#14

Post by mattdm » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:24 PM UTC

tapoxi wrote: post #2

So this is confusing. Does this mean following a Chrome-ish lifecycle of Fedora > CentOS Stream > RHEL/CentOS? Where do Atomic Host/CoreOS fit in?

Right now, after RHEL branches from Fedora, it's disconnected — basically a fork more than a branch. This provides a public upstream for the RHEL 8.y branches.

Atomic Host is being retired.

CoreOS has two branches, one which is part of OpenShift (RHCOS) and Fedora CoreOS. That's very different from the RHEL model, so it doesn't directly map.

Re: CentOS Stream

#15

Post by zokier » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:24 PM UTC

I wonder what future Fedora will have if this new CentOS Stream will be stable enough for developer daily driver. 6 month release cycle of Fedora always felt awkwardly in-between, not having the stability of lts nor the continuity of rolling. I guess lot depends on details on how the packages flow to CentOS Stream, do they come from released Fedora versions or rawhide etc.

Re: CentOS Stream

#16

Post by tflink » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:27 PM UTC

orpheline wrote: post #13

znpy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

thanks :) I was expecting to see it on the homepage, frankly...

Yeah - weird they haven't updated https://centos.org/ with the release announcement yet...

It shows up for me. There is an announcement at the bottom of the home page and the download links already show links to CentOS 8

Re: CentOS Stream

#17

Post by simias » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

bubblethink wrote: post #10

>CentOS Stream is parallel to existing CentOS builds So why does regular CenOS exist in this day and age given its semi-official status under the RH umbrella ? Why doesn't RH just let people use RHEL without support ? Isn't it a massive waste of everyone's resources to rebuild everything and remove the trademarks? This seems like a more interesting future for CentOS to have as something different from baseline RHEL.

I always assumed that it was a marketing decision, RedHat don't want people (especially the corporate type who buy a ton of servers but might not know the small details) to know that "RedHat, but free" is an alternative. Instead we have "wait, but the vendor said that the software ran on RedHat, what's this CentOS thing? Better not take the risk."

RedHat is the household name that everybody knows, it probably makes sense to preserve it for the project that actually makes them money.

From the perspective of a 3rd party making software targeting RHEL it's simpler as well. I don't want to have to deal with clueless users installing an unsupported OS to run my software and then asking me for support for things like "our CD drive is not supported" or "how can we patch this security vulnerability". I've enough work supporting my software, I don't want to deal with the client's clueless sysadmin on top of it.

Re: CentOS Stream

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Post by _ph_ » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:43 PM UTC

bubblethink wrote: post #10

>CentOS Stream is parallel to existing CentOS builds So why does regular CenOS exist in this day and age given its semi-official status under the RH umbrella ? Why doesn't RH just let people use RHEL without support ? Isn't it a massive waste of everyone's resources to rebuild everything and remove the trademarks? This seems like a more interesting future for CentOS to have as something different from baseline RHEL.

Red Hat is selling RH to gain their revenue, but they know that they have a limited audience which is willing to pay for their services. The rest of the Linux world expects Linux to be free. So instead of pushing them towards other distributions they keep those in the Red Hat universe by supporting the "free" versions of RH Linux.

It also makes it easier for any open source author to test their software on Red Hat, as there is always a free version available.

Re: CentOS Stream

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Post by rb808 » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:50 PM UTC

bubblethink wrote: post #10

>CentOS Stream is parallel to existing CentOS builds So why does regular CenOS exist in this day and age given its semi-official status under the RH umbrella ? Why doesn't RH just let people use RHEL without support ? Isn't it a massive waste of everyone's resources to rebuild everything and remove the trademarks? This seems like a more interesting future for CentOS to have as something different from baseline RHEL.

Oracle Java is practically identical to OpenJDK Java too. I'm not sure if its branding or legal, but the big companies like it that way.

Re: CentOS Stream

#20

Post by znpy » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

tflink wrote: post #16

orpheline wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah - weird they haven't updated https://centos.org/ with the release announcement yet...

It shows up for me. There is an announcement at the bottom of the home page and the download links already show links to CentOS 8

Yup, it shows up now, but it wasn't there when I first posted the comment.

Super Kudos to the CentOS people!