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“Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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An interesting thing I've noticed is that a lot of the younger generations in Estonia use English a lot when expressing themselves, especially when talking to their peers. I constantly hear everything from single English words in sentences, to fully English sentences used in-between Estonian ones. I'm sure this is something that's happening everywhere (because of things like Hollywood and most of the internet being i…

I've noticed the same in the Netherlands

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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As a Swedish speaker, I get this deeply rooted feeling of righteous indignation about not understanding spoken Danish. I'm only half-joking. As a Finnish speaker, I don't get that feeling with Estonian. The written form is different enough to warrant a deeper look before I start whining about how annoying I find language studies in general.

As a Finnish speaker, to me Estonian sometimes sounds like I'm having a stroke. Like I'm supposed to understand what is spoken but the words just don't resolve into their meanings.

My wife said something similar when we went for a holiday from Finland to Estonia; the words sounded like they should mean something, but they didn't. She kept suggesting the Estonians were very very drunk!

My Finnish is poor enough that I didn't recognize any of the alleged similiarities.

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I love the list of vowel-heavy words. You can also construct some similar words in Dutch. Or at least you used to before 1996, when a spelling change introduced hyphens into many of these: zeeëend - sea duck, or Velvet scoter (nowadays "zee-eend") koeieuier - cow udder (nowadays "koeienuier") zaaiuien - seed onions (still legal I think) kraaieëieren - crow eggs (nowadays kraaieneieren, I think) We also have the oppos…

I shuddered when I saw what a 4 letter word got mutilated into

originally (russian) it was Борщ

And coincidentally Borš in estonian.

And in dutch it became borsjtsjsch? How? Why? Why do you need 8 letters to transmit a single phonem?

No wonder dutch can construct these weird word combos.

Edit, nvm, apparently last sch belongs to next word. Still creepy

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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I love the list of vowel-heavy words. You can also construct some similar words in Dutch. Or at least you used to before 1996, when a spelling change introduced hyphens into many of these: zeeëend - sea duck, or Velvet scoter (nowadays "zee-eend") koeieuier - cow udder (nowadays "koeienuier") zaaiuien - seed onions (still legal I think) kraaieëieren - crow eggs (nowadays kraaieneieren, I think) We also have the oppos…

`borsjtschrokkende`, not `borsjtsjschrokkende`. And yes, that is `mierenneukerig` (nit-picking, literally: ant f*cking). Besides: using a word like borsjt is cheating.

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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As a Finnish speaker, to me Estonian sometimes sounds like I'm having a stroke. Like I'm supposed to understand what is spoken but the words just don't resolve into their meanings.

As an Estonian speaker, I feel the exact same way about Finnish. I guess it's universal :)

No it isn't :) As a Finnish speaker with some exposure to Estonian language, I can understand written and spoken Estonian better than any other language I've had such little exposure to. I'm not very good in speaking Estonian and I can't write it at all.

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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I love the list of vowel-heavy words. You can also construct some similar words in Dutch. Or at least you used to before 1996, when a spelling change introduced hyphens into many of these: zeeëend - sea duck, or Velvet scoter (nowadays "zee-eend") koeieuier - cow udder (nowadays "koeienuier") zaaiuien - seed onions (still legal I think) kraaieëieren - crow eggs (nowadays kraaieneieren, I think) We also have the oppos…

I shuddered when I saw what a 4 letter word got mutilated into originally (russian) it was Борщ And coincidentally Borš in estonian. And in dutch it became borsjtsjsch? How? Why? Why do you need 8 letters to transmit a single phonem? No wonder dutch can construct these weird word combos. Edit, nvm, apparently last sch belongs to next word. Still creepy

Yeah, it's 'borsjtsj'. No idea why. Presumably it's the closest approximation of that phoneme in Dutch, but it seems unlikely that anyone trying to pronounce the Dutch transliteration would get anywhere close to the Russian original.

Borsjt or possibly even borsj would probably be better.

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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Wonderful article, exposing some of the oddities of this non-Indo-European language in the middle of Europe, without becoming too technical. If you're interested in an entertaining overview of all of the world's languages, I can recommend the course Language Families of the World by The Great Courses - 34 byte-sized (half hour) lectures. https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/language-families-of...

Certainly looks interesting, but in an era where I've been conditioned to expect free content $335 is a bit steep to indulge in a casual interest.

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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I love the list of vowel-heavy words. You can also construct some similar words in Dutch. Or at least you used to before 1996, when a spelling change introduced hyphens into many of these: zeeëend - sea duck, or Velvet scoter (nowadays "zee-eend") koeieuier - cow udder (nowadays "koeienuier") zaaiuien - seed onions (still legal I think) kraaieëieren - crow eggs (nowadays kraaieneieren, I think) We also have the oppos…

`borsjtschrokkende`, not `borsjtsjschrokkende`. And yes, that is `mierenneukerig` (nit-picking, literally: ant f*cking). Besides: using a word like borsjt is cheating.

That's why I didn't include it in the normal words. It is absolutely cheating.

As for the spelling: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borsjtsj

(Edit: That page also mentions a soup called 'sjtsji'.)

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

`borsjtschrokkende`, not `borsjtsjschrokkende`. And yes, that is `mierenneukerig` (nit-picking, literally: ant f*cking). Besides: using a word like borsjt is cheating.

That's why I didn't include it in the normal words. It is absolutely cheating. As for the spelling: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borsjtsj (Edit: That page also mentions a soup called 'sjtsji'.)

I stand corrected, I didn't know you could spell it that way. What a weird language we have :)

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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An interesting thing I've noticed is that a lot of the younger generations in Estonia use English a lot when expressing themselves, especially when talking to their peers. I constantly hear everything from single English words in sentences, to fully English sentences used in-between Estonian ones. I'm sure this is something that's happening everywhere (because of things like Hollywood and most of the internet being i…

At least in Panama, and certainly other Latin American countries mixing English and Spanish sounds like one is trying too hard at looking like one belongs to the upper class, or that one is uneducated enough not to know the right words to express an idea in one's own language.
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