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Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by Pfhreak »

cybersnowflake wrote: post #9
cybersnowflake wrote: post #5

More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…

okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).

I'll bite:

> years ago where the brainwashing kicked in

Brainwashing is a value judgement, an insult directed at the opposing point of view.

> any normal person anywhere in the world who would honestly tell me this sounds like a well adjusted sane individual who wouldn't in all probability be a human headache for everyone around them?

Wait, actually this whole sentence is just entirely an insult. You've completely dismissed any opposition as 'insane' or 'abnormal' or 'not well adjusted'.

It's not how you engage in rhetoric that invites a response. It's one thing to say, "I disagree with these ideas, like using LatinX, I find it makes my life more challenging. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something." It's another to say that opposing viewpoints are insane.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by harryh »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #3

I don't really know what anyone* can do to address some of these, as unacceptable as the occurrence of these stories are. Reading through the document (linked to by SolaceQuantum), there's one case where someone felt unprotected by HR because they asked HR not to investigate and HR did, and claimed to have fired the person for other HR problems. I'm not sure what HR should have done there. Are they supposed to not at…

here's one case where someone felt unprotected by HR because they asked HR not to investigate and HR did

FWIW, this sort of thing is included in every HR training I have ever done. HR is obligated to investigate issues regardless of the desire of the complainant. This is both for the benefit of the company (that doesn't want to employ a problematic employee) and other employees (that do not want to be future victims).

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by woah »

cybersnowflake wrote: post #9
cybersnowflake wrote: post #5

More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…

okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).

It’s impossible to downvote so objectively and even-handedly as to not offend socially conservative message board commenters. One wonders if it is even worth trying, since the level of neuroticism about “censorship” when someone disagrees them will expand to encompass and exceed whatever your level of “rationality” is.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by trenning »

dominotw wrote: post #7
TallGuyShort wrote: post #3

I don't really know what anyone* can do to address some of these, as unacceptable as the occurrence of these stories are. Reading through the document (linked to by SolaceQuantum), there's one case where someone felt unprotected by HR because they asked HR not to investigate and HR did, and claimed to have fired the person for other HR problems. I'm not sure what HR should have done there. Are they supposed to not at…

> someone felt unprotected by HR How can this ever be true. Why would someone possibly expect HR to protect them. Isn't it basic commonsense that HR( or anyone) works for person who pays them. Their job is to protect their employers from you ( not the other way around). I've never worked at a place where this wasn't true. Maybe this should be taught in college or something.

If you ever want to proceed with legal actions against the company then you have to put it into record somewhere which typically means reporting incidents to HR. Which ultimately leads to getting fired. What else are people supposed to do?

It's a shitty unwinnable situation for employees, I've been on the shit end of this stick before at a different tech co for complaining and was retaliated against. It's not fun and I feel sympathy for anyone who's lives are being turned over because of it.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by sergiotapia »

cybersnowflake wrote: post #9
cybersnowflake wrote: post #5

More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…

okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).

"I identify as a LatinX female" miss me with that imperialist shit. we're latino and latina.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by zaroth »

cybersnowflake wrote: post #9
cybersnowflake wrote: post #5

More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…

okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).

You’re going to have to do better if you’re actually interested in having a real conversation. Everything from your username to your parlance screams troll, even if there was a well thought position you were attempting to stake out underneath it all, it’s undermined completely by your approach.

If you’re not simply gaslighting with the complaint about flags and downvotes I would recommend trying to start afresh with a new username, and approach comments with a logical argument that tries hard to avoid flamebaiting and point scoring.

There’s something to be said for “even Google gets this wrong”, why it is all so hard, and maybe structural issues which guarantee someone will always be aggrieved in the end. Maybe you want argue Google has overcorrected to badly that they have created a whole new kind of hostile workplace.

But the conversation is lost if you want to argue around terms like “wokeness”.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by triangleman »

nkingsy wrote: post #8
cybersnowflake wrote: post #5

More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…

Seems like we are learning by doing how this stuff should be handled. Some people in the gray areas are going to get burned, some complaints will be considered too much, and eventually we will get through the white supremacist patriarchal backlog and move on to some other new cultural change process, hopefully carbon.

Wow so let me see if I get what you're saying: The ends justify the means. Want to make an omelette, gotta break a few eggs. And by the way, the real civil rights issue we should be focusing on is global warming?

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by jasonlotito »

cybersnowflake wrote: post #9
cybersnowflake wrote: post #5

More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…

okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).

Reasons why you are getting down voted.

1) A comment talking about being down voted (which is amusing considering your username). This is enough to get a down vote in my book. 2) An immature post. There are numerous signs, including the LOL at the end, that it's immature. 3) Fairly insulting to people who come here. 4) Your original comment is constantly begging the question. The reality is, you aren't interested in a discussion. 5) "I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks" No, you aren't "just stating an unpopular opinion" if this keeps happening to you. If this happens to you constantly, it's because you are wrong. Your opinion of your comments is wrong for the community.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by dvt »

HR is not your friend and HR will never be your friend. In a post-2008 world, it baffles me that people still think that somewhere, deep-down, multi-billion dollar conglomerates have employees' best interests at heart. How quickly we forgot people losing their lifelong savings and entire pension funds going bust. Only to have the government bail out the exact same charlatans that dropped the ball in the first place.

Corporate culture is very much a zero-sum game, and I think a pinch of cynicism (or heck, realism) can go a long way.

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