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UK porn bill: Throwing our privacy out with the bathwater

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Re: UK porn bill: Throwing our privacy out with the bathwater

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"Making sure the children in our society do not regularly stumble upon damaging material while browsing the internet, is something we can all get behind."

Well I can't. Most boys get their first exposure to pornography at maybe 10-12? It's natural and doesn't cause any problems. It's crazy that sex is so vilified in our society. And I don't think anyone even understands why.

Re: UK porn bill: Throwing our privacy out with the bathwater

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post #11

"Making sure the children in our society do not regularly stumble upon damaging material while browsing the internet, is something we can all get behind." Well I can't. Most boys get their first exposure to pornography at maybe 10-12? It's natural and doesn't cause any problems. It's crazy that sex is so vilified in our society. And I don't think anyone even understands why.

We're not talking about peeking at the underwear section any more. How about teenage boys looking at incredibly violent porn with the women presented as enjoying it.

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In 30 years, this law will look as silly as the censorship of Clockwork Orange and the likes. In the meantime, somebody will make money in VPN services.

>In 30 years More like in 30 seconds.

Sadly this legislation largely enjoys crossparty support, i.e. it's the mainstream view at the moment. That sort of thing takes generations to change.

Re: UK porn bill: Throwing our privacy out with the bathwater

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I understand why you would require only adults to produce porn. Child porn is exploitative and destructive and one of then worst things in digital spaces.

But what is the reasoning behind limiting porn consumption to adults. This seems like an odd restriction that is taking away agency from children and families.

The age limit and type of porn varies significantly among parents that I know. None restrict porn of their 17 year olds. Everyone has a story of blocking their 10 year old.

The sheet cost of checking everyone’s id on a big section of the Internet seems to dwarf any expected benefit. It would be cheaper to hand out free pihole devices for every parent in the UK that just black holes porn and give an 800# for parents to get tech support.

In my country some places passed laws requiring grocery stores to check everyone’s id for alcohol purchases. It adds 10-30 seconds to every grocery trip and every incentive in a while causes a frustration. A friend’s 80 year old mother was denied being able to buy cooking wine because she didn’t have her id. It is so frustrating and an example of how society could improve, even in a small way, lives of citizens.

Re: UK porn bill: Throwing our privacy out with the bathwater

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post #11

"Making sure the children in our society do not regularly stumble upon damaging material while browsing the internet, is something we can all get behind." Well I can't. Most boys get their first exposure to pornography at maybe 10-12? It's natural and doesn't cause any problems. It's crazy that sex is so vilified in our society. And I don't think anyone even understands why.

We're not talking about peeking at the underwear section any more. How about teenage boys looking at incredibly violent porn with the women presented as enjoying it.

How common is that and how much harm does it cause? What’s the cost of that damage? What’s the cost to prevent it?

Perhaps we could launch a billion dollar program to protect children against drop bears [0]. Would that have the same impact? Perhaps. I think teenage boys have similar risk from drop bears as from incredibly violent porn with the women presented as enjoying it (or actually enjoying it).

If we get into this space then just watching prime time tv had violence and must be causing lots of harm.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_bear

Re: UK porn bill: Throwing our privacy out with the bathwater

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post #11

"Making sure the children in our society do not regularly stumble upon damaging material while browsing the internet, is something we can all get behind." Well I can't. Most boys get their first exposure to pornography at maybe 10-12? It's natural and doesn't cause any problems. It's crazy that sex is so vilified in our society. And I don't think anyone even understands why.

We're not talking about peeking at the underwear section any more. How about teenage boys looking at incredibly violent porn with the women presented as enjoying it.

I mean, a lot of women do enjoy it. Human sexually is incredibly diverse. There's not one shred of empirical evidence that shows that looking at sexual material is damaging or affects life outcomes in any way, shape, or form. And honestly, people don't really seem to care. They just have this puritanical morality for others, while at the same time engaging in these behaviors in private. It's total bullshit.

Re: UK porn bill: Throwing our privacy out with the bathwater

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not talking about peeking at the underwear section any more. How about teenage boys looking at incredibly violent porn with the women presented as enjoying it.

I mean, a lot of women do enjoy it. Human sexually is incredibly diverse. There's not one shred of empirical evidence that shows that looking at sexual material is damaging or affects life outcomes in any way, shape, or form. And honestly, people don't really seem to care. They just have this puritanical morality for others, while at the same time engaging in these behaviors in private. It's total bullshit.

The women in porn aren't enjoying it.

Also, that Nigerian prince isn't going to give you millions of dollars.

Re: UK porn bill: Throwing our privacy out with the bathwater

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, a lot of women do enjoy it. Human sexually is incredibly diverse. There's not one shred of empirical evidence that shows that looking at sexual material is damaging or affects life outcomes in any way, shape, or form. And honestly, people don't really seem to care. They just have this puritanical morality for others, while at the same time engaging in these behaviors in private. It's total bullshit.

The women in porn aren't enjoying it. Also, that Nigerian prince isn't going to give you millions of dollars.

I know women who have said otherwise. In fact, one of them is my wife.
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