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The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by brnt »

throwaway8941 wrote: post #7
spraak wrote: post #3

> I think that if the public knew what was being done to the Yellowstone herd, people might demand a change in policy. I feel the same way about all animals unnecessarily slaughtered. "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian." [1] I would take it further and say that if dairy farms had (metaphorical) glass walls [2], everyone would be vegan. It's tragic what is happening to the Bison, but it'…

I think this statement could only have come from someone who haven't spent much time outside of big cities. At least where I am from, people in more rural settings don't care about bovine or porcine feelings. This certainly doesn't mean that we torture animals, but when their time comes, the knife goes in, and meat goes on the table. "Everyone" most certainly would not become vegetarian.

Countryside dwellers dont know any more about the particulars of slaughter. I find that even farmers tend to be surprisingly ignorant outside of their narrow slice of expertise. Remember, argiculture is a highly specialized and thus compartmentalized industry, so there is usually no need to know anything about other links in de chain.

Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by johnchristopher »

brnt wrote: post #11
throwaway8941 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this statement could only have come from someone who haven't spent much time outside of big cities. At least where I am from, people in more rural settings don't care about bovine or porcine feelings. This certainly doesn't mean that we torture animals, but when their time comes, the knife goes in, and meat goes on the table. "Everyone" most certainly would not become vegetarian.

Countryside dwellers dont know any more about the particulars of slaughter. I find that even farmers tend to be surprisingly ignorant outside of their narrow slice of expertise. Remember, argiculture is a highly specialized and thus compartmentalized industry, so there is usually no need to know anything about other links in de chain.

> I find that even farmers tend to be surprisingly ignorant outside of their narrow slice of expertise.

In recent years I came to the conclusion that this statement is true for the majority of us.

Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by jedberg »

This makes me so sad. I visited Yellowstone in 2013. The buffalo are magnificent, beautiful creatures. One of them almost killed me, and I don't blame it one bit. I was driving on its road.

I really wish they could figure out a way to let them roam off of the park lands.

Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by lenkite »

spraak wrote: post #3

> I think that if the public knew what was being done to the Yellowstone herd, people might demand a change in policy. I feel the same way about all animals unnecessarily slaughtered. "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian." [1] I would take it further and say that if dairy farms had (metaphorical) glass walls [2], everyone would be vegan. It's tragic what is happening to the Bison, but it'…

First world problems. I have watched chickens getting slaughtered and dressed at a local butcher and that didn't prevent me from cooking them, nor enjoying the cooked dish.

Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by smegger001 »

spraak wrote: post #3

> I think that if the public knew what was being done to the Yellowstone herd, people might demand a change in policy. I feel the same way about all animals unnecessarily slaughtered. "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian." [1] I would take it further and say that if dairy farms had (metaphorical) glass walls [2], everyone would be vegan. It's tragic what is happening to the Bison, but it'…

I enjoy flyfishing and eat my catch. I kill the fish, gut and scale it myself none of that prevents me from enjoying my fillets of trout, steelhead, and salmon. I don't currently have enough land to do so but plan on raising some poultry for meat and eggs. Animal slaughter for food is not that bad.

Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by oceanghost »

spraak wrote: post #3

> I think that if the public knew what was being done to the Yellowstone herd, people might demand a change in policy. I feel the same way about all animals unnecessarily slaughtered. "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian." [1] I would take it further and say that if dairy farms had (metaphorical) glass walls [2], everyone would be vegan. It's tragic what is happening to the Bison, but it'…

"You have to kill or pay someone to kill for you."

No idea who said it originally, but a unique English Lit teacher was fond of repeating it. No idea if it was his own thought.

Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by brnt »

johnchristopher wrote: post #12
brnt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countryside dwellers dont know any more about the particulars of slaughter. I find that even farmers tend to be surprisingly ignorant outside of their narrow slice of expertise. Remember, argiculture is a highly specialized and thus compartmentalized industry, so there is usually no need to know anything about other links in de chain.

> I find that even farmers tend to be surprisingly ignorant outside of their narrow slice of expertise. In recent years I came to the conclusion that this statement is true for the majority of us.

I think many people, 'countrysiders' and farmers included, mistakenly attribute some sort of natural mysticism, simplicity to farming. There is absolutely nothing 'natural' or simple about industrial (western) farming. From mining minerals, producing fertilizers, landscape management, crop engineering, cropfeed engineering, butching techniques, disease control and then foodtech which has it's own universe of methods and companies.

It takes an interested mind to put all that in perspective. Whether or not you do that has nothing to do with where you live or what you do (well, maybe some agritech types have this in their job description).

Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by eesmith »

cybersnowflake wrote: post #9

If you think bison and mustangs should be running around the 'natural way'. Then you should also bring back all the lions and tigers and other carnivores that the indians killed off back in the day.

Your comment seems irrelevant, as the only overlap with the the story appears to be the word "bison" - "mustang" isn't mentioned at all, nor your quoted 'natural way'.

Your comment seems impossible, as we have no way to "bring back" those extinct species, unlike bison which do exist.

Your comment seems to imply that we should kill off all present-day wild lions and tigers and other carnivores which may threaten people - something I strongly disagree with.

Your comment places undue focus on current Native Americans, rather than the shared history of species extinction caused by humanity in general, including the aurochs and woolly mammoth, to give but two popular examples - and ones with attempts at bringing those species back.

Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by aerojoe23 »

lenkite wrote: post #14
spraak wrote: post #3

> I think that if the public knew what was being done to the Yellowstone herd, people might demand a change in policy. I feel the same way about all animals unnecessarily slaughtered. "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian." [1] I would take it further and say that if dairy farms had (metaphorical) glass walls [2], everyone would be vegan. It's tragic what is happening to the Bison, but it'…

First world problems. I have watched chickens getting slaughtered and dressed at a local butcher and that didn't prevent me from cooking them, nor enjoying the cooked dish.

I don't mind killing animals for food. Seen deer clean etc. I think the message is still relevant to you because how you or I would raise then kill and butcher an animal isn't at all how the meat in a super market or restaurant in the USA gets there.

If you think "I'm not in the US what do I care." I would argue the one thing the US is still the best at is spreading our business culture and practices around the world. If our practices aren't in your part of the world I expect they will be before long < 20 years.

Re: The Government Won’t Let Me Watch Them Kill Bison, so I’m Suing (2015)

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Post by captainredbeard »

brnt wrote: post #17
johnchristopher wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find that even farmers tend to be surprisingly ignorant outside of their narrow slice of expertise. In recent years I came to the conclusion that this statement is true for the majority of us.

I think many people, 'countrysiders' and farmers included, mistakenly attribute some sort of natural mysticism, simplicity to farming. There is absolutely nothing 'natural' or simple about industrial (western) farming. From mining minerals, producing fertilizers, landscape management, crop engineering, cropfeed engineering, butching techniques, disease control and then foodtech which has it's own universe of methods…

Plenty of interested minds put that together and don’t come to the same conclusion as you, my friend.
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