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How a deadly fall revealed CIA secrets

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Re: How a deadly fall revealed CIA secrets

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Two other LSD targets of the CIA's program weren't mentioned in this excerpt. You've probably heard of them:

Ted Kaczynski

Charles Manson

It is possible that neither would have committed their crimes but for their involvement in the CIA's mind experimentation programs. See, O'Neill, Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties (2019).

Re: How a deadly fall revealed CIA secrets

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>Because Olson’s survivors had signed away their right to legal relief when they accepted their $750,000 compensation payment in 1975, they could not sue the CIA. can someone clarify how this works? how does signing away a right work? isn't it just a contract? am I correct that people in such a situation could in theory still seek legal relief, but that in doing so they "merely" violate this "contract"?

It's referred to earlier as a settlement. It's a form of pre-trial relief when both sides agree that this settles the matter and brings litigation to an end. It's not a contract per se, and to seek legal relief again, you would have to find new grounds - you have effectively used your legal relief. It's the usual end for lawsuits.

is the discovery of deception not a new ground in itself? "jump or fell". "the suicide of your father upset you, go seek therapy", ... don't qualify as new grounds?

does the law explicitly regulate settlement, new grounds, etc or is it emergent behaviour or "standard operating behaviour" of which everyone assumes that is what the law says as opposed to what the law actually says?

Edit: perhaps a clearer phrasing in everyday language: is there a difference between how lawyers, judges, ... have the cookie crumble versus how the law says cookies should crumble?

Re: How a deadly fall revealed CIA secrets

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Two other LSD targets of the CIA's program weren't mentioned in this excerpt. You've probably heard of them: Ted Kaczynski Charles Manson It is possible that neither would have committed their crimes but for their involvement in the CIA's mind experimentation programs. See, O'Neill, Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties (2019).

One has to wonder if MK Ultra and similar were actually a net positive.

The CIA guy pitches it as defending the country, but it seems more like defending the egos and delusions of the team involved.

Re: How a deadly fall revealed CIA secrets

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Two other LSD targets of the CIA's program weren't mentioned in this excerpt. You've probably heard of them: Ted Kaczynski Charles Manson It is possible that neither would have committed their crimes but for their involvement in the CIA's mind experimentation programs. See, O'Neill, Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties (2019).

Kinda makes you think about all the shooters "known to federal authorities" recently.

Re: How a deadly fall revealed CIA secrets

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Two other LSD targets of the CIA's program weren't mentioned in this excerpt. You've probably heard of them: Ted Kaczynski Charles Manson It is possible that neither would have committed their crimes but for their involvement in the CIA's mind experimentation programs. See, O'Neill, Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties (2019).

Source?

Re: How a deadly fall revealed CIA secrets

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Yes another great read, for the land of the free and brave.

If your country doesn't have an intel agency doing this or similar congratulations you are too small to matter.

Not all societies are built around a culture of paranoia, and not all societies manifest this with an autonomous intelligence agency

this dark current should be excised from society as the declassifications show they more often undermine our security from domestic and foreign sources

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