Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker? • Hacker News Board

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by de_watcher » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 6:34 AM UTC

newnewpdro wrote: post #5

Docker shit so hard on the established linux community with such arrogance Jessie Frazelle, a Docker employee at the time, would gloat about closing systemd-specific PRs. She wore a name tag @ DockerCon.EU 2015 proudly showing "I say no to systemd specific PRs". Docker's plight? Good riddance.

And that perpetually refused PR to disable connecting to the central repository every time.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by s_Hogg » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 6:42 AM UTC

kjgkjhfkjf wrote: post #9

Google doesn't actually use Kubernetes much, so the "operation hardened internally" argument isn't valid.

source?

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by hilem » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 6:45 AM UTC

kjgkjhfkjf wrote: post #9

Google doesn't actually use Kubernetes much, so the "operation hardened internally" argument isn't valid.

Kubernetes is based on Borg which Google uses extensively internally.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by orthoxerox » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 6:51 AM UTC

The only thing Docker is now useful for is Docker Desktop. Unlike other desktop container software, it actually works on locked down machines in enterprise environments.

K8s can run on any CRI-compatible runtime, and IBM/RedHat don't even want you to install Docker on RHEL8.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by paule89 » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 6:55 AM UTC

The problem i have with cubernetes is the following: I as a small developer and small server owner don't have the ressources to even get started. The first thing i see at cubernetes is a cluster. Why a cluster. Do i need to cluster my Raspberry pi's to get something out of it? Do i need to buy 3 servers just to run 5 containers?

In docker its easy. Download Docker. Start container. Install container manager like platformio. Done.

But true to the article. Docker seems very hostile towards the community and towards getting revenue. If i think about Kubernetes and Revenue i hear IBM, Red Hat. And i am too cheap of a person and too small of a customer to ever need those guys. So i will still keep using Docker.

And because i know more about Docker i will probably try to use it at work as well. Easy as that.

But i am open to suggestions.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by luckylittle » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 6:55 AM UTC

I also feel sorry for Docker, in a way. Was it their arrogance, or just incompetence?

The came up with this amazing tool, that lot of companies started using, but they did not have a business strategy on how to make money in a long term. They tried to keep up (Docker Swarm, Docker Hub Premium, Tutum, Moby, Docker Community vs Docker Enterprise etc). But at the end they just seem like they don't really know how to approach it.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by ahupp » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 6:58 AM UTC

hilem wrote: post #13

kjgkjhfkjf wrote: post #9

Google doesn't actually use Kubernetes much, so the "operation hardened internally" argument isn't valid.

Kubernetes is based on Borg which Google uses extensively internally.

"inspired by" borg. It's not the same codebase.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by dasyatidprime » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 7:00 AM UTC

Maybe this isn't quite the perspective the article's taking—but damn near no one visibly wept for LXC when Docker stomped all over it in terms of “what people think containers just Are”. And now the news asks why I don't weep for them? Live by the stomp, die by the stomp.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by dagw » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 7:01 AM UTC

peterwwillis wrote: post #10

newnewpdro wrote: post #5

Docker shit so hard on the established linux community with such arrogance Jessie Frazelle, a Docker employee at the time, would gloat about closing systemd-specific PRs. She wore a name tag @ DockerCon.EU 2015 proudly showing "I say no to systemd specific PRs". Docker's plight? Good riddance.

Well, systemd sucks balls, so I kind of agree with not having PRs specific to it, but I see your point that wearing that on a name tag isn't very nice.

I've seen this happen quite a lot in the Open Source and hacker world. The sort of glib bravado that goes down so well with your friends on mailing lists and at your local meetups just doesn't translate well when you're trying to convince Fortune500 companies to give you millions of dollars.

I bet the person in question had gotten nothing but cheers and support for their anit-systemd rhetoric from their immediate peers and was shocked and surprised to find that it didn't go down just as well in the wider world.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Post by Legogris » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 7:08 AM UTC

s_Hogg wrote: post #12

kjgkjhfkjf wrote: post #9

Google doesn't actually use Kubernetes much, so the "operation hardened internally" argument isn't valid.

source?

Anecdotal, but I know a guy working as a senior Engineer at Google with some central server-side components for the Android ecosystem. He had barely heard the word Kubernetes when we last spoke, let alone knew what it was.