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A Shocking Number of Americans Want to 'Just Let Them All Burn'

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Re: A Shocking Number of Americans Want to 'Just Let Them All Burn'

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(from https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/characters/nm0000323) one of my favorite movie quotes:

Bruce Wayne : Criminals aren't complicated, Alfred. Just have to figure out what he's after.

Alfred Pennyworth : With respect Master Wayne, perhaps this is a man that you don't fully understand, either. A long time ago, I was in Burma. My friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So, we went looking for the stones. But in six months, we never met anybody who traded with him. One day, I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been throwing them away.

BW : So why steal them?

AP : Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

So, how do you deal with such man?

BW : The bandit, in the forest in Burma, did you catch him?

AP : Yes.

BW : How?

AP : We burned the forest down.

Re: A Shocking Number of Americans Want to 'Just Let Them All Burn'

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post #5

> 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground Haven't read the actual paper, but does anyone know what response percentages one would expect from a "normal" population?

It also seems so open to interpretation, what it means to burn society to the ground, and how (if at all, which I suspect not) are they controlling for hyperbole and whimsy?

Edit: actually, I won't delete my comment, but I really don't want to be the guy that skims a * Vice article and comments like he's thought of something the author's of the underlying haven't. I remain sceptical, but acknowledge that 'whaddoiknow'.

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post #5

> 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground Haven't read the actual paper, but does anyone know what response percentages one would expect from a "normal" population?

In Germany it used to be that the "protest parties" (usually on the far right) would get perhaps 10 % of the vote. Currently, AfD is at 20 - 25 % in the polls.

Re: A Shocking Number of Americans Want to 'Just Let Them All Burn'

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> 40 percent concurred with the thought that "When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking 'just let them all burn' "; and 40 percent also agreed that "we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over."

Hard not to sympathize with this perspective when:

- The people running the country lie us into an unending, ruinous war with help from the establishment media, and no one is held to account.

- The people running the country demolish the economy with unsustainable debt-driven speculation, and no one is held to account.

- The people running the country openly associate with a convicted trafficker of children, who conveniently dies in prison before naming any names and while the cameras were "inoperable" and the guards asleep and his cellmate transferred out at just the right moment, and (just wait for it!) no one is held to account.

"Let them all burn" may not be the right answer, but at the very highest levels our political and social institutions are rotten to the core.

Re: A Shocking Number of Americans Want to 'Just Let Them All Burn'

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And why not? The entire political process is kabuki interspersed with conversations with important donors and lobbying groups that actually establish policy. Nihilism isn't the answer, but neither is demanding a particular kind of we're-all-professionals kabuki without any real change. Flipping over tables is at least something.

>Flipping over tables is at least something.

No, it isn't. It literally isn't anything. It wasn't even anything when Jesus did it, because he did it, and then the people he did it to had him nailed to a tree and they kept on doing business.

Re: A Shocking Number of Americans Want to 'Just Let Them All Burn'

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post #8

Exactly. Trump is one of these people, which is why they love him so much. That he is in a position of such great responsibility is incredibly dangerous.

Don't know why you're getting downvoted. That's more or less why I voted for him.

Trump is far less "burn it to the ground" than his fans like to imagine. He's a friend to Wall Street, K Street, Raytheon Acres and the good old Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Re: A Shocking Number of Americans Want to 'Just Let Them All Burn'

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post #8

Exactly. Trump is one of these people, which is why they love him so much. That he is in a position of such great responsibility is incredibly dangerous.

Don't know why you're getting downvoted. That's more or less why I voted for him.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel now, 2.5 years in? If you knew in November 2016 what you know now, would you still have voted for him? Do you plan to vote for him in 2020? Not trying to troll or start a political flamewar here, I'm genuinely interested, especially as it's pretty rare that a HNer will "admit" to being a Trump voter.

The thing that always gets me is that even though Trump presented himself as this tear-down-the-establishment, drain-the-swamp kind of guy, it always seemed pretty likely that he'd just replace the political establishment with people in the business/finance establishment, which is essentially the same thing to many/most of the people who this platform resonated with. And, well... that's exactly what he's done, aside from the other expected outcomes of inflaming racial/gender/etc. divides; ignorantly bumbling his way through economic, trade, and foreign policy; and lying his way through every day in office. What is it about that which still lends him support? Is it still just the chaos? Because he's not actually fixing anything for most of his supporters; the elites are still just as elite as ever, and at best it's status quo, but in many cases things are worse.

Put another way: it just seems unlikely to me that all the "burn it to the ground" supporters expected or are happy with the fact that burning it all down also causes them more suffering, too; more suffering than the establishment has been hit with. And yet, here we are.

Re: A Shocking Number of Americans Want to 'Just Let Them All Burn'

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post #7
post #5

> 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground Haven't read the actual paper, but does anyone know what response percentages one would expect from a "normal" population?

I think it's implied that zero percent of normal people want to see society "burned to the ground" Edit: after re-reading that part of the article I'm not sure anymore. I can't tell if the questions were phrased to imply a serious destructive desire or if "burn it down" was passable as "I'm discontent with life". Might have to read the paper itself to clarify.

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Re: A Shocking Number of Americans Want to 'Just Let Them All Burn'

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post #16

And why not? The entire political process is kabuki interspersed with conversations with important donors and lobbying groups that actually establish policy. Nihilism isn't the answer, but neither is demanding a particular kind of we're-all-professionals kabuki without any real change. Flipping over tables is at least something.

>Flipping over tables is at least something. No, it isn't. It literally isn't anything. It wasn't even anything when Jesus did it, because he did it, and then the people he did it to had him nailed to a tree and they kept on doing business.

I take your point but Jesus has to be the worst possible example for your case.
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