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The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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I've noticed recently that very few people in my circles on Facebook seem to be sharing their own posts. Mostly it's resharing another article of some kind, one they probably found through an ad on Facebook itself. So between the ads Facebook sends me, and the ones my friends forward on, literally 90% of my feed is ads.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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post #9

I have been working in this problem space for the past year or so developing a new kind of social media that I think has some merits. Take away the advertisement model, the public nature of discourse, and replace it with meaningful context-driven one-on-one conversation and I think we might have something. My platform can take any topic and disseminate a discussion to as many one-on-one conversations as people who ar…

Took a look at your landing page - some immediate feedback - first thing I see is a popup with a video with the title 'the problems with social media'.

I don't think that's the best way to frame what you're trying to do. Don't tell me what it's not or about all the problems with current social media platforms (I already know), just get straight to what your platform does differently. I can then decide for myself if that's better or if I'd prefer it to what's already out there.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

#13
post #10
post #5

I dunno. After moving to the valley and leaving all my friends behind, social media is my one connection to anyone besides my wife. I don't compare myself to people on SM and feel bad. I see my friends and family and generally feel good.

I wonder if being on Facebook reduces your motivation to build new friendships (it does take some work) since it allows you (with little effort) to maintain some form of very limited remote relationship? Maybe without Facebook, we (remote people) would be more motivated to build new local, face to face, and fulfilling friendships?

I've found that leaving social media, I was forced to actually message my friends more to feel connected. I end up talking. We do things and go out. I meet more people. Getting off the passive dopamine train makes you do the active hard stuff. You realize it's not that hard.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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post #9

I have been working in this problem space for the past year or so developing a new kind of social media that I think has some merits. Take away the advertisement model, the public nature of discourse, and replace it with meaningful context-driven one-on-one conversation and I think we might have something. My platform can take any topic and disseminate a discussion to as many one-on-one conversations as people who ar…

Took a look at your landing page - some immediate feedback - first thing I see is a popup with a video with the title 'the problems with social media'. I don't think that's the best way to frame what you're trying to do. Don't tell me what it's not or about all the problems with current social media platforms (I already know), just get straight to what your platform does differently. I can then decide for myself if t…

I see your point, but I wonder if that is just the nature of how hyper-aware most people in this community are of the problems. I don't know if that necessarily holds true for the general population. Thanks for the feedback.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

#15

Does this still hold up? 95% of my facebook feed is now shared posts that aren’t related to things my friends are doing, and are often posts about products. There is almost nothing I see on facebook that invites social comparison with my facebook friends any more.

Looking at products can be pretty depressing, too. There are some 10+ year old items I own that I'm proud to be using through their complete useful lifetime, but it's hard not to feel a twinge of dissatisfaction and self-consciousness when confronted with reminders that the new products look and perform better. Most of my friends (like most normal people) buy new products at a pace dictated by their desire to have new stuff.

Of course they brag about their awesome expensive new gear, including how durable it is, which is ridiculous, of course, but even more ridiculously, I have to shelter myself from advertising to protect my conviction that I'm not really the ridiculous one. When I'm barraged with advertising, I can't even feel good about choices that reflect my values. More and more that yucky feeling stops me from checking Instagram, which was the last social media app I checked regularly. I'm had enough of paying for "free" services by trading away control over my own thoughts and feelings.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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post #5

I dunno. After moving to the valley and leaving all my friends behind, social media is my one connection to anyone besides my wife. I don't compare myself to people on SM and feel bad. I see my friends and family and generally feel good.

Agreed. My actual USAGE of Facebook is a net positive in my life, by far. (this, of course, leaves aside all of the stuff the company does and is accused of).

I keep track of friends and family, see peoples' kids, see what vacations they're on, see nice photos, and yes, some news (some not so nice news).

Whereas twitter is a toxic cancerous cesspool of attention-seeking, all wrapped in an utterly unusably backwards UI.

Instagram's somewhere in between. Can't remember who's who anymore, bit more attention-seeking than FB, quite a bit less than Twitter.

I guess it depends on your use case. I've never found any value in following "influencers" or brands, I'm more interested in what my actual real-life friends and acquaintances are up to, and FB is far better at that. The reduction of anonymity really helps, too. It's more of a community, less of a shouting match.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

#18
One interesting trade-off here is that modern Facebook intentionally hides posts from your friends and family, often important ones. See https://twitter.com/Hellchick/status/942863353403150336 for one big example. I can imagine this selective filtering having a big impact on mood, and it seems like they were already doing it back in 2017. Maybe it's connected with FB's previous research on how to manipulate users' moods (positively or negatively) with timeline biasing and filtering?

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Took a look at your landing page - some immediate feedback - first thing I see is a popup with a video with the title 'the problems with social media'. I don't think that's the best way to frame what you're trying to do. Don't tell me what it's not or about all the problems with current social media platforms (I already know), just get straight to what your platform does differently. I can then decide for myself if t…

I see your point, but I wonder if that is just the nature of how hyper-aware most people in this community are of the problems. I don't know if that necessarily holds true for the general population. Thanks for the feedback.

Very good point and you might be right, but that said perhaps at least your initial audience is going to skew more towards those who are already informed and have opinions on the matter, so it might be something better for later?

That aside, very cool concept and I'll come back and check it out more tomorrow (late here). I find any effort to evolve social media pretty interesting, actually tried (and failed) with an idea in this space myself a couple of years back. It's hard and I hope you succeed. Also noticed from browsing the topics you're doing startup school - me too (Box CI) - good luck with everything!

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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post #5

I dunno. After moving to the valley and leaving all my friends behind, social media is my one connection to anyone besides my wife. I don't compare myself to people on SM and feel bad. I see my friends and family and generally feel good.

I guess people look at you on social media and feel bad about themselves

Haha pareto distribution of facebook happiness: top 10% of facebook users take 90% of the happiness to be had on facebook
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