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For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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As a cooking enthusiast I struggle with finding vegetarian recipes that are appealing to me, my wife and kids, even if we’d like to eat more vegetables.

As a “carnivore” or at least omnivore, most dishes feel like they’re either missing some part (i.e. “dinner is just a salad”) or trying to imitate a meat product.

Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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Makes sense, cows are bad for the environment, no matter how far away they live from you.

But a chicken or fish near you is far more environmentally friendly than vegetarian food from father places. So the title is a bit misleading.

Technically diary products are still vegetarian so the title is still inaccurate. It should be vegan to be correct.

Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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As a cooking enthusiast I struggle with finding vegetarian recipes that are appealing to me, my wife and kids, even if we’d like to eat more vegetables. As a “carnivore” or at least omnivore, most dishes feel like they’re either missing some part (i.e. “dinner is just a salad”) or trying to imitate a meat product.

Have you tried cheese and beans and cooked vegetables? Look up Asian and Indian/Nepali cuisine for ideas.

Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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Greenhouse emissions from meat/dairy production (the all chain) in highly efficient meat industries of 1st world countries, are negligible when compared to to other sources. [1] Even when looking at the global numbers and taking into account countries with less efficient systems, the global total is still less than 15% of all greenhouse emissions. [2] [1] https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-other-greenhouse-gas-emis..…

Well, even if CO2 footprint of animal agriculture is the lowest out of all human activities, there are externalities like fecal waste, water pollution, deforestation and many more without any CO2 added when calculating the footprint.

Your best example could have been China. Not the western first world. For China, CO2 footprint of food raising activities is not even in the top 10. The manufacturing industry there is brutal, combined with heating and cooling.

Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But a chicken or fish near you is far more environmentally friendly than vegetarian food from father places. So the title is a bit misleading.

Are they? The study left out fish, so I didn’t see that conclusion in there. Also, the title is pretty much the conclusion of the study: eating vegetarian has a greater environmental impact than eating local.

So why are they generalizing their claims when they have left out whole category of foods? And they consider dairy as not vegetarian that’s not accurate either.

Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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The biggest takeaway I get from the article is that the average annual food-sourced CO2 emissions is equivalent to driving 6000km. Average car owners in North America do quite a bit more than that annually (and likely in a vehicle that produces much more CO2 per km than the europe-based study would use)

Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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As a cooking enthusiast I struggle with finding vegetarian recipes that are appealing to me, my wife and kids, even if we’d like to eat more vegetables. As a “carnivore” or at least omnivore, most dishes feel like they’re either missing some part (i.e. “dinner is just a salad”) or trying to imitate a meat product.

You probably aren't using vegetarian foods with enough fat or protein. Veggie based meat substitutes often have ridiculously low fat contents so I have to add oil to get some umame flavor out of them. Like tofu grind that you might use as a substitute for ground beef is like 5% fat whereas hamburger is 10-20%. Adding some olive oil makes a huge difference.

Legumes like lentils and chickpeas are also very filling, and you can easily make them into amazing curries with very little effort by slightly overcooking the lentils, pan toasting the chickpeas, mixing them together with some coconut milk and whatever spices go with your palate. I like to use curry leaves, garlic, cumin, thai green chiles, salt, and onion as a base. The fat from the coconut milk will nicely improve the texture of the lentils (which have too much protein and fiber relative to fat to have the right texture) and as it cooks down you'll get something akin to a coconut milk korma or a close enough approximation that you can take it from there and just have it with rice or blanched spinach.

Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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Btw it's not really necessary to consume >onlySide topic, but meat these days is quite expensive if you really take it from a quality manufacturer ( Bio meat in Germany costs 3 times more than the "regular" one ). You can imagine what kind of meat you get if you don't have to dig deep into your pocket for a meal.

Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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The biggest takeaway I get from the article is that the average annual food-sourced CO2 emissions is equivalent to driving 6000km. Average car owners in North America do quite a bit more than that annually (and likely in a vehicle that produces much more CO2 per km than the europe-based study would use)

Oh wow, I just did the calculation myself (3.22 trillion miles and 330 million people) to see the 9800 miles per capita driven in the USA.

What a waste. I hope that at least most of it is long haul trucking or something with personal value like a vacation, rather than just commuting.

Re: For a lower climate footprint, vegetarian diet beats local

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As a cooking enthusiast I struggle with finding vegetarian recipes that are appealing to me, my wife and kids, even if we’d like to eat more vegetables. As a “carnivore” or at least omnivore, most dishes feel like they’re either missing some part (i.e. “dinner is just a salad”) or trying to imitate a meat product.

Cold turkey could be hard. Try transitioning slowly. As a start, just cook more veggies and load up your plate with them. Roasted broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, etc., can be amazing. You can also substitute less-bad meats (turkey burgers instead of cow, etc.) or try out some of the veg. substitutes.
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