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If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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I read mostly non fiction but mystery novels are the one fiction genre I never mind reading. I read it like a (roundabout) lesson on the character of a time and place. I'd previously read London's Sherlock, Belgium's Poirot (written by the English Agatha Christie), LA's Philip Marlowe and France's Lupin (good reads, but the translations are poor quality). I picked up Pietr the Latvian recently in a search for more Co…

I would recommend you the yellow dog, the first part specially is pretty good creating an atmosphere of mistery and danger. They aren't horror stories in any case. Is more about building characters and creating a good sense of inmersion in the landscape and history.

This one [0]? Thanks!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Dog_(novel)

Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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That's an ad for the new release of the translations, imitating an article. Read Monsieur Monde Vanishes instead if you want to read some Simenon, it's a better book.

I haven't read it since, but "The Man Who Watched the Trains Go By" had quite an impact on my teenager self.

Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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I love these books. I can buy them in Portugal for 50p and piece and they phenomenal covers. French police stories are fantastic because everything revolves around sex; which speaks to me as more realistic than American det novels (often about conspiracy theories, threats from other countries or from powerful men - to be fair some of them are quite frank about sex too) and British novels (which don’t seem to mention sex at all or when they do, it’s almost in passing and with no relevance to the story).

I find that the French frankness about sex leads to better crime novels that speak more about reality to me. I get the impression that the kind of crime novels each country has really speaks to their character (or intended character - I think the British are as horny as any other people, but they are bad at talking and thinking about sex).

Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would recommend you the yellow dog, the first part specially is pretty good creating an atmosphere of mistery and danger. They aren't horror stories in any case. Is more about building characters and creating a good sense of inmersion in the landscape and history.

This one [0]? Thanks! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Dog_(novel)

I assumed they meant https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chien_jaune, one of the best Maigret stories.

(Why is it a capital C in the Wikipedia article?)

Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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I lived in France for a few years and wanted to become fluent in the language. One part of my strategy was just to try to brute-force through some novels with the aid of a dictionary and a conjugation chart. I started with _Les Trois Mousquetaires_ but found the diction too difficult to slog through. I made it through _Le Petit Prince_, but I really clicked with Simenon's detective novels. Since it was a familiar, modern form, it was easier for my brain to fill in the blanks through context. The dialogue, especially, was realistic and quite to the point ("Ici c'est moi qui pose les questions" sticks in my mind).

Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one [0]? Thanks! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Dog_(novel)

I assumed they meant https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chien_jaune , one of the best Maigret stories. (Why is it a capital C in the Wikipedia article?)

Ah, that makes much more sense. Thank you.

Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one [0]? Thanks! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Dog_(novel)

I assumed they meant https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chien_jaune , one of the best Maigret stories. (Why is it a capital C in the Wikipedia article?)

> Why is it a capital C in the Wikipedia article?

That is the way book titles are capitilized in french: the first word excluding articles gets a capital letter. It is also according to this word that the book will be sorted.

Same for "La Tête d'un homme", previous book in the series.

Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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post #13

I love these books. I can buy them in Portugal for 50p and piece and they phenomenal covers. French police stories are fantastic because everything revolves around sex; which speaks to me as more realistic than American det novels (often about conspiracy theories, threats from other countries or from powerful men - to be fair some of them are quite frank about sex too) and British novels (which don’t seem to mention…

> I can buy them in Portugal for 50p

Can I ask you where? Also, in French of Portuguese? Moving to Portugal in 2020 and would love to know where to find books for cheap!

Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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post #13

I love these books. I can buy them in Portugal for 50p and piece and they phenomenal covers. French police stories are fantastic because everything revolves around sex; which speaks to me as more realistic than American det novels (often about conspiracy theories, threats from other countries or from powerful men - to be fair some of them are quite frank about sex too) and British novels (which don’t seem to mention…

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Re: If only Georges Simenon had been a bit more like Maigret

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post #15

I lived in France for a few years and wanted to become fluent in the language. One part of my strategy was just to try to brute-force through some novels with the aid of a dictionary and a conjugation chart. I started with _Les Trois Mousquetaires_ but found the diction too difficult to slog through. I made it through _Le Petit Prince_, but I really clicked with Simenon's detective novels. Since it was a familiar, mo…

I did something similar as part of learning English. For me the best author for this purpose was Stephen King (not that I spent much time searching, just random trial and error; I don't even like horror stories). After mastering Stephen King I moved on to J. R. R. Tolkien. For the first fifty pages or so of The Lord of The Rings I had to look up words pretty much one for every other line of text.

It was amazing to see how different authors, although both very good and well-known, use language so very differently, and use quite different sets of words and of very different sizes. It's not like Stephen King writes children's books, or that his stories are any more simple than LOTR. It's just like with code: You have people using a small(er) subset of a language but express similarly complex ideas (algorithms), while others enjoy using less commonly used language features. Both methods can get the job done beautifully in the right hands. One has the advantage of being more (easily) accessible (and to a larger amount of readers) though.

By the way, my next level in "word acquisition" came through reading The Economist and a few other magazines of similarly exalted vocabulary. Again I had to look up at least ten words per article when I started.

Which reminds me: Is there a service that manages to categorize books by looking at the set of words they contain (and possibly sentence structure/grammar)? Might be quite useful as a niche service for foreigners learning a language. The obvious and simple answer is to sort by intended audience (e.g. books for children and young people vs. sciency books), but as my Stephen King vs Tolkien example shows, the overall level does not have to be different at all just because one uses a smaller set of words.

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